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By Staff Report | 11.16.11

I am writing today to announce the closure of the Michigan Messenger. After four years of operation in Michigan, the board of the American Independent News Network, has decided to shift publication of its news into a single site, The American Independent at Americanindependent.com. This is part of a shift in strategy, towards new forms [...]

Colorado-based abstinence program provided false and misleading information to Michigan students

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By Todd A. Heywood | 11.16.11

An abstinence-only presentation provided to numerous school districts in Calhoun and Eaton Counties in October of this year provided false and misleading information to students about HIV, experts allege.

Class action lawsuit filed against MERS over unpaid taxes

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By Todd A. Heywood | 11.15.11

Two county registers of deeds filed a class action lawsuit Monday on behalf of Michigan’s 83 counties alleging that the Mortgage Electronic Registration Services owes millions of dollars in property title transfer taxes.

Schuette fights important mercury regulations

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By Eartha Jane Melzer | 11.14.11

Despite evidence of the impact of mercury on children and public health, Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette last month joined with 24 other state attorneys general in filing a lawsuit to scuttle new EPA regulations that would reduce mercury emissions from power plants.

Flint’s David Dicks: Police chief or fashion police?

By Minehaha Forman | 07.29.08 | 12:34 pm

Flint police can arrest people who “sag” or wear their pants below the hips.


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Earlier this month, the new interim Flint police chief, David Dicks, announced that police would start arresting people for wearing their pants “sagging” or below the waist and butt. Dicks believes sagging is “indecent exposure” and thus is punishable by a $500 fine or 93 days in jail.

The American Civil Liberties Union is researching whether this policy is a violation of the First Amendment. Other opponents argue that it will give police another reason to harass young men and is a road to racial profiling since sagging is largely (but certainly not exclusively) practiced by African-American youth, and this policy now gives automatic probable cause for a complete police search.

But Dicks is himself a black man. So can he be racist?

 It’s possible. But more likely he has an ax to grind with men in the streets since his son, Jaquan Dudley, 24, was shot dead in a drive-by shooting in June, minutes after Dicks accepted his new position as police chief. With his promotion coming simultaneously with the murder of his son, in a warped way it may explain his strict ideas concerning men in the streets — to get more possible shooters behind bars, he needs a way to identify them. You know, basic profiling. So enraged by his son’s death to the point of obsession, he has targeted a certain style that he has associated with thugs — sagging pants — and thus crossed lines of basic freedoms.

This is also an age-sensitive issue. Dicks is 41 years old, a generation away from the fads of young men today, and perhaps has forgotten what it was like to be young, hip, following trends wherever they lead. So it is an issue of ageism as much as it would be racism or classism. For instance — long hair, bell-bottoms, jerry curls, short basketball shorts – all past fads that ticked off a good number of people in their time. One day sagging pants will join them in the ranks of fashion infamy.

Does sagging really translate to indecent exposure, as Dicks suggests? Not really. Men who sag also wear long shirts that by comparison are about as oversized as their pants. The shirts go way past the waist, and the young men are usually wearing boxers, so you don’t see anything “indecent.” So how do officers know when to pull out the handcuffs? It’s a tough call and opens the door for a lot of interpretation, giving officers more of a reason to harass people. I wonder how common it is to really see someone with their whole butt showing? I see a lot of guys in the street sagging, but no bare behind. In fact I’ve seen more of girls’ behinds peeking out from low-rise jeans than I have from men who are sagging.

When did falling pants become cool? One Flint resident, Kwame Everett, who is the president of the Association of Black Students at Oakland University and who studies African-American culture, put it this way:

Belts were banned in the prisons because individuals would hang themselves or others with them. Since some prisoners were given over-sized clothing with no belts they were forced to sag (which still is as degraded as the clothing conditions of slaves during slavery).

Many people who would sag on the streets did it because they had no belt. [Either that] or they were “flooding” [wearing pants that are too small] — if you were poor and you had small old pants it was common to flood, happened to me a lot when I was younger. [Being forced to “flood”] would be an easy reason for someone to want to sag. The practical street version of flooding and no belt suggest that sagging is not a style but a common reality for poor individuals. Of course, the fashion only hit mainstream when rappers like Ice T and Too Short began to sag in the 80s.

The argument against sagging is that it looks ridiculous, it is a part of prison culture, and it hinders these men from getting the respect they need to be successful. Or as Dicks wrote in a memo to his officers, “This immoral self expression goes beyond freedom of expression.”

It just seems to me that Flint police officers have other things to worry about — domestic abuse, theft, murder, etc. — that should take priority over fashion choices. The Flint Police Department just laid off 48 officers and closed the city jail. What police remain need to be focusing on real public safety issues, not style trends.

Comments

  • beaware

    big dicks, little brains “chief’ dicks is don the con’s 2nd worse joke played on Flint.wanna know the 1st???

  • beaware

    big dicks, little brains “chief' dicks is don the con's 2nd worse joke played on Flint.wanna know the 1st???

  • melissa

    I support the new intervention through this law. Perhaps for our culture it needs to be updated. I am the mother of 12 children (6/6). This fashion statement amongst others is both distracting and tempting. It is the same as walking around in ones underwear or less at times.
    To say that David Dicks is carrying some grudge for the death of his son is inappropriate and dishonest. He obviously is a man seeking to make a statement about appropriateness of behavior to a generation that has looked the other way and their children who do not know the definition of self respect and consideration for others. It is sad that any money is being spent on arguing this ridiculous battle. People, please stand up for the right and invest in the building of America's character. Our countries lack of integrity screams in the streets and the ACLU too often is deafening the ears of those who need to hear the most……our children…..our future. The ACLU supports all that is destroying this nation and cry freedom as the defense. Freedom also expresses itself by consideration for others and recognizing your influences on those younger not just gaining your own freedom for questionable behavior. These are familial principles missing in this nation who has embraced abandonment of marriage and parenting commitment for personal expression and freedom supported by the ACLU.

    • Rayne1

      ACLU's stated mission is the protection of Constitutional guarantees related to:

      ” * Your First Amendment rights – freedom of speech, association and assembly; freedom of the press, and freedom of religion.
      * Your right to equal protection under the law – equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.
      * Your right to due process – fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.
      * Your right to privacy – freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.”

      Is the problem in Flint really that the ACLU is defending freedom of expression, or that the culture of Flint has not demanded parents set and enforced better standards of behavior for their children, let alone for themselves?

      Let's look at the case of Kayla Renee Holland in neighboring Mt. Morris; what were the root causes of Kayla's untimely death? Conservatives objected to the examination of the culture that made guns so readily available, or the issues that kept the 6-year-old classmate who shot Kayla from spending more time with healthy adults. Are the underlying issues that resulted in Kayla's death also the same ones that underpin a far more minor challenge like “sagging”?

      As a mother I'll tell you that the ACLU is not the problem. It's the lack of personal responsibility on the part of individuals and the community as a whole, and the glorification of negative behaviors combined with a systemic lack of deep examination and critical thought. Blaming an organization for protecting Constitutional rights is the easy way out, a method for avoiding personal and societal blame which does virtually nothing to solve the problems of Flint let alone those of the rest of this state and our country.

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    i don't think that its good to arrest those people who just wearing pants in hips, cause it s their fashion, it can be done if the one who wears it, looks like a criminal, it maybe reasonable. on the other side, they can be arrested because of their public display and they look like prisoners.

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    Whats wrong with sagging” or below the waist and butt it is not crime so why did arrest them. Its a fashion style I disagree on that Law.

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    Whats wrong with sagging” or below the waist and butt it is not crime so why did arrest them. Its a fashion style I disagree on that Law.