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The Michigan Messenger going forward

By Staff Report | 11.16.11

I am writing today to announce the closure of the Michigan Messenger. After four years of operation in Michigan, the board of the American Independent News Network, has decided to shift publication of its news into a single site, The American Independent at Americanindependent.com. This is part of a shift in strategy, towards new forms [...]

Colorado-based abstinence program provided false and misleading information to Michigan students

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By Todd A. Heywood | 11.16.11

An abstinence-only presentation provided to numerous school districts in Calhoun and Eaton Counties in October of this year provided false and misleading information to students about HIV, experts allege.

Class action lawsuit filed against MERS over unpaid taxes

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By Todd A. Heywood | 11.15.11

Two county registers of deeds filed a class action lawsuit Monday on behalf of Michigan’s 83 counties alleging that the Mortgage Electronic Registration Services owes millions of dollars in property title transfer taxes.

Schuette fights important mercury regulations

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By Eartha Jane Melzer | 11.14.11

Despite evidence of the impact of mercury on children and public health, Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette last month joined with 24 other state attorneys general in filing a lawsuit to scuttle new EPA regulations that would reduce mercury emissions from power plants.

Who won the vice presidential debate?

By Ed Brayton | 10.02.08 | 11:32 pm

As I said last week, there is only one possible measure of who “wins” these “debates,” and that is by how they changed public perceptions and swung voters to their side. And like it or not, most voters do not make that decision based on analysis of substantive arguments but on subjective perceptions.

By that measure, I thought Palin did better than expected, certainly far better than in recent interviews. She seemed confident, composed and in command. She didn’t stumble and babble as she has so often lately. I suspect that what Paul Begala said on CNN a moment ago is accurate: She probably managed to move herself from national laughingstock to at least being not an albatross for McCain.

So what about the polls? CNN had a poll immediately following the debate.

Fifty-one percent of those polled thought Biden did the best job in Thursday night’s debate, while 36 percent thought Palin did the best job.

But respondents said the folksy Palin was more likable, scoring 54 percent to Biden’s 36 percent.

Both candidates exceeded expectations — 84 percent of the people polled said Palin did a better job than they expected, while 64 percent said Biden also exceeded expectations.

But on the question of the candidates’ qualifications to assume the presidency, 87 percent of the people polled said Biden is qualified while only 42 percent said Palin is qualified.

CBS News again had an immediate poll of undecided voters and it showed a decisive victory for Biden.

Forty-six percent of the uncommitted voters surveyed say Democrat Joe Biden won the debate, compared to 21 percent for Republican Sarah Palin. Thirty-three percent said it was a tie.

Eighteen percent of previously uncommitted percent say they are now committed to the Obama-Biden ticket. Ten percent say they are now committed to McCain-Palin. Seventy-one percent are still uncommitted.

Comments

  • TeddyKGB

    1. Anyone who thinks Palin did well in this debate had their expectations sufficiently lowered. Her constant note-checking and shuffling was embarrassing, and her complete non-answer to the Cheney question was unforgivable.
    2. The debate format is what helped her not completely self-destruct. There were no pesky follow-up questions in the debate, like that pesky Katie Couric kept doing in those interviews, so she only had to recite one rote answer each time.

  • flygirl17699

    I heard a lot of people saying that they thought Palin did well by saying “you betchya” and “doggonit” and other folksy slang in her responses. I personally was appalled at how she blatantly tried to use these expressions to make people think that she was just like them. I don't talk like that, especially in a professional setting, and I wouldn't expect a candidate for VP to talk like that either. I realize that she may talk like that regularly, but it was almost as if she planned to use those phrases in certain parts of her responses just to get people to think that she was their buddy. Not to mention the whole “Hey can I call you Joe” thing. She may have been trying to be friendly, but I just felt that it was unprofessional.

    Then, she kept dodging questions and going back to energy, but what she kept failing to say was that oil is the main source of energy in their energy “plan”. The U.S. needs to get off of oil and move forward with new ways to produce energy. Off-shore drilling won't even help the ecomony for another 7-10 years because has to be processed and refined, so all they are going to do is line their pockets with profits from investments in the oil industry. Eventually, the oil will be gone, and then what do we do? We are consuming oil much faster than the Earth can produce it, that is a fact. We will eventually run out, that is a fact. It may not happen in my lifetime, but I don't want to have to worry about that for my children or grandchildren. Drilling isn't going to solve our energy problems, mass-producing alternative forms of energy is the only way we are going to get the U.S. off of it's oil addiction. Palin was all about energy, energy, energy, and drill, baby drill. It seemed that all she wanted to talk about was energy (from oil) and her hometown and being mavericks. I am so sick of the work “maverick” and I am so glad that Biden called her and McCain out on that last night. Just because you're not as corrupt as others in your own political party doesn't mean that you're a maverick, it just means that you're not as corrupt.

    I was actually on the fence about who to vote for at first, but as the weeks have gone by and I've researched both sides and heard both arguments, I just can't trust anything that McCain says and both McCain and Palin make me sick now. I actually liked both of them at the beginning of all of this and I thought that, for the first time in my life, I might actually vote Republican, but they've done nothing but confirm that I need to vote Democrat.

  • GAL

    Sarah Palin vs. Joe Biden: Comedy! Drama! Horror!

    So to watch the debate at the State Theater with Michael Moore and 500 other people, 400 of them who will be voting Obama – Biden, was a lot like watching your College football team beat up on the opposition at your school's Homecoming game. The crowd roared virtually every time Palin rambled, forgetting for the moment that no one without understanding of complex policy issues should become the leader of the free world – the most powerful decision maker on earth.

    http://greatestamericanlawyer.typepad.com/great…

  • GAL

    Sarah Palin vs. Joe Biden: Comedy! Drama! Horror!

    So to watch the debate at the State Theater with Michael Moore and 500 other people, 400 of them who will be voting Obama – Biden, was a lot like watching your College football team beat up on the opposition at your school's Homecoming game. The crowd roared virtually every time Palin rambled, forgetting for the moment that no one without understanding of complex policy issues should become the leader of the free world – the most powerful decision maker on earth.

    http://greatestamericanlawyer.typepad.com/great…

  • GAL

    Sarah Palin vs. Joe Biden: Comedy! Drama! Horror!

    So to watch the debate at the State Theater with Michael Moore and 500 other people, 400 of them who will be voting Obama – Biden, was a lot like watching your College football team beat up on the opposition at your school's Homecoming game. The crowd roared virtually every time Palin rambled, forgetting for the moment that no one without understanding of complex policy issues should become the leader of the free world – the most powerful decision maker on earth.

    http://greatestamericanlawyer.typepad.com/great…