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Karger slams Bachmanns over gay reversion therapy

By Todd A. Heywood | 07.13.11 | 7:42 am

Republican presidential candidate Fred Karger on Tuesday night slammed fellow contestant for the nomination Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota over allegations a counseling clinic she co-owns with her husband is offering ex-gay therapy.

“She’s a liar and now that she’s been busted, she’s trying to divert attention away from her lies,” Karger said in an exclusive interview with Michigan Messenger. “She is just another hypocrite and bigot.”

Karger’s words came as an undercover video investigation by Truth Wins Out started making headlines. The therapy, called reparative therapy, has been condemned by most credible medical organizations, which say there is no evidence the therapy works and may in fact be damaging to a person struggling with their sexuality.

Bachmann’s husband, Marcus, runs the clinic. He has publicly denied that his Christian counseling center does ex-gay therapy.

That’s where TWO’s John Becker comes in. He spent much of June masquerading as a client seeking a cure for his homosexuality. He received several counseling sessions at Bachmann’s clinic, all directed at helping him end his homosexuality and become the heterosexual he was born as, to paraphrase the counselor. Becker secretly video taped the sessions, and TWO released that video to several news outlets Monday.

But for her part, Michele is staying mum about the clinic and the ex-gay programming, pivoting from any questions about the clinic to saying she is proud of the clinic because it creates jobs.

On Tuesday, Human Rights Campaign — which dubs itself the largest LGBT rights group in the country — called on candidates in the GOP field to take a stand on the issue:

“Michele Bachmann’s homophobic views are out of step with mainstream America, and it’s time for her fellow GOP presidential contenders to publicly denounce them,” said HRC President Joe Solmonese. “The past few years we’ve seen a surge in support for equality and have made important legislative progress. Bachmann’s support for things like reparative therapy signals just how fringe a candidate she really is.”

Only Karger has taken a stand.

“Absolutely. She needs to own up to it and tell the truth,” Karger said. “What is going on in that counseling center? I am telling you I am very concerned about that.”

Karger is the first openly gay man to seek the office of the presidency. He is a long time GOP activist who worked for President Ronald Reagan and the President George H.W. Bush. And while he says he is being warmly received on the campaign trail, both CNN and Fox News refused to allow him to participate in their GOP primary debates. He was the first declared candidate to file the paperwork necessary to become a candidate for the GOP primary and, he hopes, the 2012 general election.

Karger also said Bachmann should take back her controversial pledge with the Family Leader in Iowa. Here’s how Lynda Waddington over at Messenger’s sibling site The Iowa Independent reported the pledge:

The 14-point pledge (PDF) asks candidates to ban same-sex marriage, protect women and children from pornography and reject Islamic law. Signers also must promise to affirm that same-sex marriage is akin to polygamy, and that having many children is good for America. The vow insinuates that homosexuality is a choice, and that being gay or lesbian is a public health risk.

“That thing was a painful read,” Karger said.

Comments

  • Reuel Teoh

    Michele Bachmann is telling the truth. Homosexuality is a sin and a choice.
    Even Herman Cain said so.

    If Fred Karger wants to challenge the facts, he will be judged by God.
    The fact is God will send the plague directly if people legalise sin. Hence the first country in the world to legalise gay “marriage” (S. Africa) is plagued with the highest number of AIDS sufferers.
    Only those blinded by the devil can’t see such data.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1580611162 Betsy Rose

      Reuel Teoh
      Who’s God?  My God says it isn’t a sin.  War is a sin.  Killing is a sin.  But love and sex? 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1210647559 Michael Buchanan

      wow. Who’s blind again?

    • http://anziulewicz.livejournal.com PolishBear

      DEAR REUEL TEOH:

      I’m not sure which televangelist you’ve been listening to, but the Netherlands was the first country to legalize marriage for Gay couples, back in 2001.

      As for AIDS, in the African continent the overwhelming majority of HIV/AIDS cases have occurred as a result of heterosexual transmission. Marriage equality for Gay couples has had nothing to do with it.

    • http://twitter.com/bikercub Darren Gullick

      Homosexuality isn’t a sin or a choice. Hatred is. Why have you chosen to hate?
      The following is a quote from a vicar:
      “Though the Bible does forbid sexual misconduct, Jesus said nothing about
      sexual orientation which we now know is a spectrum with heterosexuality
      at one end and homosexuality at the other. The latter is no longer
      classified as a disorder or disease. The majority who are heterosexual
      by nature would be unfair to condemn the minority born with a same-sex
      attraction. What is done in private by consenting adults may hurt no one
      else and some partnerships are at least as devoted and enduring as many
      conventional marriages.”

    • Anonymous

      Yay…another self righteous religious fanatic that’s a bigot…what every peaceful society needs.  Those blinded by sins and fears of the devil…are those that have their heads so far up their own asses that they can’t tell that they are the problem.  

    • Anonymous

      Look where the tornado’s and drought are.  They must be the worst!  Texas, Ariz., mid-west.

      • Anonymous

        smite them lord, smite them!

      • Anonymous

        smite them lord, smite them…

    • http://www.facebook.com/tlund1 Tracy Lund

      You are what is wrong with this country. Keep your theocratic thugs out of MY family values.

    • Anonymous

      for crying out loud come out of the cave

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1580611162 Betsy Rose

    Michele Bachmann is such an air head.  There are some very uneducated people voting for this airhead.  She is so stupid.  This anti gay therapy is illegal and harmful.  Who will step forward and prosecute?

    • Anonymous

      she kinda reminds me of anita bryant.  remember her “homo no mo’” campaign?  who amongst you will cast the first orange?  yuk yuk!

  • Anonymous

    Ha.

    As cruel as this is, thank god it got out.

    Goodbye Bachmann, your out there, ideologue, bigoted views just cost you any chance you had at a somewhat mentionable primary run. 

  • gabbie lenin

    Ugh. How she got famous, I’ll never know.
    Just goes to show, it’s not about how many people say it, it’s about how loud they shout it.

    The real injustice here, though, is Karger being shut out of debates. Is it because he’s gay? Maybe; what other reason is there? And no one seems to notice– except for Karger himself, who takes it in stride. Tragic.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Mitchell/1549209817 Nick Mitchell

       I completely agree.  It’s a shame that Fox and CNN are being so prejudiced against Karger.  He was the first Republican to file to run for President in 2012 and served as an adviser to Presidents Ford, Reagan, and H.W. Bush.  If HE’S not allowed in the debates, why is everyone else who hasn’t done half as much as he’s done?  (Personally, I’m pulling for Ron Paul, but Karger’s not a bad choice, either.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4MJTWYKTCRFBC6UHRTC7MA6USQ Larry

    She’s proud of the clinic because it creates jobs?  Well so does book burning, rounding up jewish people and hanging blacks, only an idiot would  make such a stupid statement.  This woman is dangerous and needs to get off the stage.

    • Anonymous

      arbeit macht frei…

  • http://www.teamobama2012.com TO2012

    Fred  being a Republican is just as self-loathing and I ought to know because I was a one for 25 years until  2008.   http://www.spqr1052.com/

  • Guest

    She is just another Republican idiot running for president, that she will never win is assured. Check out her name, she has a Nazi German name. She is so ugly, I just have to vomit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kenny-Windham/1626314745 Kenny Windham

        Look, if you want to be a fag so be it, just keep your so-called love life, to yourself and stop shoveing it down our throats, thats what you like. There is no place for you in the Republican party or have we caved to this perversions and this is excepted, well not for me, count me out, I,am sick of it.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Mitchell/1549209817 Nick Mitchell

      Careful what you say.  Besides, who’s doing the attacking here?  It’s Michelle Bachman and her bigot-of-a-husband who’s bringing the issue up.  The homosexual community wants their rights.  How is that shoving anything down your throat?  How does a loving same-sex couple effect you in any way? Homophobia is no different than racism.  It’s people like you who give the Republican Party, and America for that matter, a bad name.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XZRZFRMCJXC36HWK4IFJ7MLMZQ stins

      The bible condemns many things and nothing more than telling lies and stealing. This entire economic and political system should be cast into hell but all the religiots can do is complain about gay marriage and abortion. The nation is destroyed while they ignore the real issues; idiots!

  • Mz SunShineSmile Upstate NY (C

    This is a good discussion.
    For the gay supporters: If I read the Bible & it tells me that homosexuality is a sin and I believe it, what do I do?  If I believe I am disrespecting Christ by voting for gay marriage, what do I do?
    I have known, worked with and been a MSW for gays over the years. It was one of the best experiences. Gay men would teach me about men. LOL. But most importantly, I learned first hand that they are people. Not those people. Not them over there, but people. The good, the bad & the ugly, just like every group of people on the planet.
    So, my question again, what does a person do that does not want to betray their God?
    Please, only serious replys.

    • Anonymous

      Madam, where in the bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin?
      If your god is one of love, how can he condemn the expression of healthy love between two people, whether they be two husbands, or two wives, or a husband and a wife? I believe that a merciful god, one who loves the sinner and hates the sin, would be more concerned with the ways we treat our fellow man rather than whom we chose to give our affections to.
      To support the freedom to love as one chooses without imposing on the freedoms of another is not sinful and therefore not a betrayal to one’s god, if one’s god is truly a god of love.

  • Tamara Hicks-Syron

    Jesus preached LOVE. Not HATE. Bachmann does not speak for me. This woman just needs to GO. AWAY.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Rose/655434671 Scott Rose

    More hard reporting is needed in this matter.
    Firstly, we should know exactly when, if ever, “Dr.” Marcus Bachmann earned that Ph.D. from Union. What do the school’s records show and how do they compare to his claims?
    Then, all the government-sponsored payments to the clinic, whether federal, state or local, should be gone over with a fine toothed comb. Bachmann & Associates’ site very purposely blurs the issue of whether the business is a fundamentalist prayer center or a health care center. Here are some relevant questions: 1) If a licensed therapist advises a patient in a clinic setting that praying to Jesus will definitely alleviate their mental health care problems, is that fraud? 2) Do government health care programs pay when they are billed for “Christian counseling”? 3) If so, has that ever been challenged as a violation of the “no establishment” clause of the constitution? 4) If government health care payments may not be used for “Christian counseling,” then has Bachmann & Associates ever given a patient/client “Christian counseling” but billed for the same sessions as something else, in order to receive the government health care payments? 5) Could any current and/or former Bachmann & Associates’ client/patients fraudulently advised by B&A therapists that praying to Jesus would turn them heterosexual bring a legal action against Bachmann & Associates, which does present itself as a mental health care facility?