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By Staff Report | 11.16.11

I am writing today to announce the closure of the Michigan Messenger. After four years of operation in Michigan, the board of the American Independent News Network, has decided to shift publication of its news into a single site, The American Independent at Americanindependent.com. This is part of a shift in strategy, towards new forms [...]

Colorado-based abstinence program provided false and misleading information to Michigan students

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By Todd A. Heywood | 11.16.11

An abstinence-only presentation provided to numerous school districts in Calhoun and Eaton Counties in October of this year provided false and misleading information to students about HIV, experts allege.

Class action lawsuit filed against MERS over unpaid taxes

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By Todd A. Heywood | 11.15.11

Two county registers of deeds filed a class action lawsuit Monday on behalf of Michigan’s 83 counties alleging that the Mortgage Electronic Registration Services owes millions of dollars in property title transfer taxes.

Schuette fights important mercury regulations

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By Eartha Jane Melzer | 11.14.11

Despite evidence of the impact of mercury on children and public health, Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette last month joined with 24 other state attorneys general in filing a lawsuit to scuttle new EPA regulations that would reduce mercury emissions from power plants.

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Gov. Snyder unveils his budget plan

Proposes deep cuts in spending, business taxes
By Todd A. Heywood | 02.17.11 | 1:05 pm

Republican Gov. Rick Snyder, before a joint session of the House and Senate Appropriations Committees this morning, unveiled a budget plan full of deep spending cuts and new taxes on seniors, the poor and the middle class to offset a business tax cut.

The budget has been an overwhelming focus of Snyder’s time since taking office Jan. 1. The proposal had to address structural issues in revenues and spending streams which have created nearly $1.8 billion in deficits for the fiscal year which begins Oct. 1.

In a press release announcing highlight of his plan, Snyder had this to say:

“This is a comprehensive plan to lay a new, sound foundation for Michigan’s reinvention and put an end to the significant budget deficits that state has experienced for the past decade,” Snyder said. “It reflects difficult but necessary decisions that will result in a shared sacrifice, but ultimately will benefit citizens, families and communities through the economic growth and job creation that is generated. By stimulating the economy while preserving core, essential services and ensuring a safety net for those who are vulnerable, we’ll all move forward together.”

While Snyder says the proposal will result in “shared sacrifices,” his plan to restructure the tax system will strongly shift the tax burden away from businesses. Under Snyder’s plan, the Michigan Business Tax will be axed and a new six percent corporate tax will replace only part of the MBT revenues. Overall, businesses will see a reduction in their taxes of nearly $1.8 billion.

That $1.8 billion business tax cut is being offset by tax increases and steep cuts to other parts of the budget, including a new tax on public and private pensions for retirees. Under current law, public pensions are entirely untaxed in the state, while private pensions are exempt from taxation up to $45,000 for individuals and $90,000 for couples. That tax would raise about $1 billion a year in new revenue.

In addition to the new pension tax, Snyder would also eliminate most income tax credits individual tax filers can claim. Snyder says the plan will keep in place only the personal exemption, homestead property tax credit and other minor subtractions.

On the spending side, Snyder’s plan would also reduce local revenue sharing by a third. That is tax funding sent to the local communities that help pay for local services such police and fire service, parks and recreation programming and more. The plan would also change the way such revenue is shared; instead of being distributed by population, communities would have to compete for the funds based on their willingness to share services and make other reforms.

Snyder has also proposed a cut of 15 percent to state university budgets, and proposes a four percent — or about $470 per pupil — cut in local K-12 spending. Snyder says his plan protects community colleges. He would also provide a pool of cash as incentive for universities to keep tuition increases below seven percent.

Unsurprisingly, his budget met with immediate criticism.

“Gov. Rick Snyder’s proposed budget is heavy on cuts to families and children, and short on the shared sacrifices that he himself has called for,” said Progress Michigan Executive Director David Holtz. “To move Michigan forward, everyone must share in the pain and the governor’s proposed budget doesn’t pass that test. Governor Snyder’s budget proposes raising taxes on low-income workers, retirees and giving Big Business a tax cut. That’s just wrong for Michigan.”

The Michigan Municipal League — which represents local governments — also issued a statement calling Snyder’s plan “harmful to our communities.”

In a press statement, Carol Shafto, president of the Michigan Municipal League Board of Trustees, had this to say about the governor’s budget presentation:

“Rest assured cuts of this magnitude will harm our residents in communities and neighborhoods across the state, and when they do, we will firmly and pointedly ask our governor and state legislators why they created the mess our local governments are in? When local governments layoff more police officers and firefighters, when more roads and bridges crumble, when our waste water treatment systems fail, when our parks and libraries close, who will want to live here? When do we stop the fiscal insanity and end this foolish and reckless attempt to undermine Michigan’s return to prosperity? These cuts give our public university students another compelling reason to leave Michigan for states that are investing in the types of amenities that create places where young, talented, educated and entrepreneurial people want to live and work. If these cuts are approved, Michigan will shove another generation of young people out the door. These cuts are not about turning off the lights. They are about taking the lights down.”

House Democrats were also not pleased with the budget.

“Instead, his plan makes it harder for our kids to get the quality education they need to compete for jobs, puts a college education farther out of reach for middle-class students, increases taxes on seniors and working families, and takes more police and firefighters off the street. It gives huge tax breaks to corporations while shifting the burden to others who can least afford it,” said Rep. Richard Hammel, (D-Mt. Morris Township) and House Democratic Leader. “House Democrats cannot support that type of approach. We wanted to see more reforms in state government and more sacrifice at the top. We also expected to see a more detailed budget, given the Governor’s emphasis on transparency in government.”

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  • Anonymous

    The governor appears to be trying to create an environment where businesses will want to move to or stay in Michigan. These businesses will provide jobs for the people of Michigan. The critics of this proposal are suggesting that the government should be the entity that provides the jobs. This is what happens when you elect republicans (thankfully).

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000946100 Jessica Carpenter

      I agree with you… and it’s nice that someone finally stepped up to the plate to take care of the mess were in…lol…I have a bumper sticker that says “REPUBLICANS working hard so you don’t have to”…my car wears it proudly!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NVVOGBNJCD6JQOJXVIEVUAYUZE Sean

      Ok, lets make this clear. LOWER BUSINESS TAXES DO NOT MEAN MORE JOBS. Would you like evidence? 1.Florida- very low business tax, VERY high unemployment. 2. Nevada- very low business tax, VERY high unemployment. No business hires more people based on taxes. They hire more based on increased demand. Think of it this way. Currently Company X makes Y as a profit selling 10,000 units. If they continue to sell 10,000 units why would they hire a single person. They already have the ability to handle the 10,000 units with the number of employees they have (and actually technology and outsourcing have made it so the same number can sell 12,000-15,000). The lower tax rates for a business wiill just mean added profits. If you think companies will relocate to Michigan based on lower taxes, i suggest you look at South Dakota (considered the friendliest business tax state) How many companies have relocated there? Google, Microsoft, Chase and Apple, are in what are considered high business tax states, yet they do not move and make HUGE profits.
      Of course republicans and the right wing won’t let facts get in the way of a good lie. As usual they believe if they say it enough, people will believe it.

      • Anonymous

        It sounds to me like they are trying to get the people to move away from Michigan. Taxing the retired and the poor? how does that make business prosper? I know I’m about to move.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks for leaving

      • Anonymous

        It sounds to me like they are trying to get the people to move away from Michigan. Taxing the retired and the poor? how does that make business prosper? I know I’m about to move.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks for leaving the state … we need positive people to work out solutions. “Those who stay will be champions”

    • http://twitter.com/dkmich dkmich

      Are you lost? Red state baggers don’t post here. Another trickle down clown that thinks pee is rain.

  • http://twitter.com/jpbaugh John Baugh

    Some of the cuts do seem a little unsettling, especially in the college education sector, but money doesn’t grow on trees and even if it did, this state started a forest fire years ago and needs to replant a bit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=38501557 Chris GetFit

    Cutting higher education is not new in Michigan. It has been happening every year for the past 10 years. That is the main contributor to tuition increases. The majority of funding goes to U of M, MSU and Wayne State. The rest of the public universities split about 40% total. At OU, the state appropriations has decreased by 50% over the last 10 years.

  • Anonymous

    This budget hurts the poor and the elderly. Has anyone considered how many jobs will be lost when those with pensions stop taking their occassional dinner out? can’t afford good health care help? don’t hire anyone to wash their windows, etc., etc. The whole premise of tax the people to give to business in the hopes of more jobs is based on a false premise. Businesses consider a lot more than tax structure when locating–one of them being the quality of life of its citizens—their education, their parks, their general well being. Businesses also need people with money to buy their products. I don’t see how this will create any jobs, but it will create suffering.

    • Anonymous

      Really? You don’t see how this will create jobs? -and I’m not talking about the window washing kind. If a business doesn’t move here these “tax breaks for business” don’t cost us anything. It’s only tax breaks for businesses that are in Michigan. We really need to get this state moving forward and sticking with the same old strategy will produce the same results. How about “Right to Work” legislation? That seems to be bringing business to states that have it, and don’t believe our union’s stories about the workers getting lower pay. The businesses can pay equal or better pay when the workers actually work 8 hours a day.

      • Anonymous

        How is it you don’t remember Snyder bragging he was behind Engler’s business promotion program during the first part of his campaign for Governor ? It didn’t work in a big way. Apparently it ‘sounds good’ to people but it already failed under Engler! He drove our State of Michigan into insolvency! How do we do the same thing now and expect different results?

        • Anonymous

          Did you sleep through the last decade in Michigan … the cheerleader Governor … she had no clue.

      • Anonymous

        Right to work brings low wages and no collective bragaining for public or private sector labor,right wing dosh nozzles dream!!!!!!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FA4O6LFOCAIGJBVUMZLKH2JAKA Andrew

      I own a business here in Michigan. You are wrong. I have chosen not to hire more people based upon the taxes I am obligated to pay. I have actually thought of leaving this state due to the excessive taxation. Parks and the general well being of our citizens are great, but who is paying for that one? When I consider hiring people in our state, the costs are out of control. Unionized labor is a mess. It is simple. You may not agree, that is fine. Let me ask you, why would YOU want to start a business in this state vs. somewhere else? Would you really start a business in this state for parks? I have to compete in a global market. If I want to stay in business, I have to compete. Costs must stay down. If they don’t, I will go out of business. Govt. doesn’t not create jobs. People create jobs. If the atmosphere is not right for jobs to be created they will go somewhere else.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NVVOGBNJCD6JQOJXVIEVUAYUZE Sean

        So if your demand for product doubled you would not hire more people even with the same tax rate? How about if your demand was EXACTLY what it is today? Would you hire more people? No you would not. You would pocket the extra profit and work with the same crew you currently have. If not you deserve to be out of business. DEMAND is the only thing that spurs job creation for ANY business.

  • George Washington Hayduke

    I hear the adults are back in charge? How silly and patronizing. I don’t really know what that means other than the speaker of that comment likely holds themselves in high regard compared to the electorate at large. Nice…

    Well what did you think Gov Snyder was going to do? This began under the Engler Administration and guess what, Dennis Muchmore and many many Engler cronies are back in the saddle. They are once again laughing all the way to the bank. Rest with confidence this will begin a new era of pollution, stolen ground water, and corporate greed in the quest for power.

    My fellow Michigander’s, like it or not but the Independents who voted Republican and the Democrats who did not come out to even bother to vote, really blew this one. So we get the government we deserved… the government the motivated financed and helped get elected. Ad campaigns and a lack of debates… and a public who found the Snyder stereotype more palatable than the Bernaro model. Vanity and fools paradise to me.

    The exodus is going to begin for our children and our seniors. No jobs here that are paying reasonable salaries with benefits. What? Benefits? Everyone just needs to buck up and move away…. Yep, that is the new reality for Michigan.

    Government by and for BIG BUSINESS and SPECIAL INTEREST.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Michigan Messenger, I get what your trying to say; Republicans and conservatives are evil, they hate children, poor people, sick people, old people, teachers, minorities, blue collar workers, the environment, students, gays, progress, peace, religious diversity, science & technology, and the gosh darn American dream. Now can we please get the news with out this political message?

    • Anonymous

      Sorry, we didn’t say anything like this silly caricature. We did point out that those cuts will negatively impact the most vulnerable Michigan residents. And they will.

      • Anonymous

        Hi Ed!
        Thanks for pointing that out. And in the article, thanks for telling me what the Democrats thought about it.

  • George Washington Hayduke

    rhouse, no offense, but that is part of the problem… people asking for the readers digest version of everything does not make one well read or informed. When there is a lack of depth in ones ability to understand the political message’s basic lie, well how can one expect that person can understand the “news”?

    I would not suggest we should attack the Republicans and conservatives as evil. I would suggest they have a self serving agenda to promote positions that fail to benefit the vast majority of the citizens of the State.

    But heck, at least there will be alot of $8 an hour jobs at Walmart…

    • Anonymous

      I was being very sarcastic…. kinda throw’s your readers digest theory out the window. Republicans and Democrats are both people neither of them are evil and both have agendas that they believe will best benefit the state. To think one party is morally superior to the other is wrong. I am tired of articles purposefully slanted to tell me otherwise.

      • George Washington Hayduke

        Sarcasm does not come across in written words in a forum like this.

        Republicans support the richest and smallest group in our society.

        Democrats support the larger number of people who do not have money or clout.

        To suggest that they are equally morally is utterly silly.

        Drink a bit more kool aid

        • Anonymous

          “To suggest that they are equally morally is utterly silly.”

          If you think the R or D after someones name makes them a better person you are a bigot. I am not rich, in fact I’m quite poor. I know many Republicans that are not rich nor have aspirations to be. I’m not religious either. With that said, I still donate as much as I can to charity. Like most Republicans, I do think welfare is necessary but should be a helping hand and not a life style. I am fiscally conservative and think that smaller more efficient government is a better business model. How does this make me morally inferior to you?

          • George Washington Hayduke

            Well unfortunately the R or D seems to matter more and more today. As for the morality I mentioned. Let’s talk about President Bush and his lies about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Or the torture his administration illegally and immorally carried out. Or how about the tax breaks for the very wealthy that hurt middle and lower class Americans.

            On a state basis how about Engler selling out the water aquifers to Nestles Corporation. Or the importation of trash and waste. And Rick Snyder is right in line with the same cast of characters to do further damage to the middle class.

            Now I never said that you were morally inferior to me. Read my words more carefully. What I said was Republicans behave in a morally inferior position to Democrats in their governing style. As for smaller govt, well that to me is a dream not a political position. I have never seen any office holder really embrace smaller efficient govt. They just represent their constituency. And I do not think a business model likely to be effective in our state that wants a part time legislature or less policemen and firemen. But sure let’s have less union people and teachers? That is my sarcasm, I support unions and teachers and believe them to earn every dime they make.

            Take a look at the Gov of Wisconson today. He creates his own budget crisis in order to destroy the unions in his state. I consider that an immoral position. It is not based on fact or need but rather blatant ideological extremism… in fact he and Rep Ryan have more in common with another Wisconson legislator from history… McCarthy.

            I consider many of the positions of the right to be utterly morally vacant. I do not necessarily consider the voters who vote Republican to be morally inferior. Just hood winked and manipulated. And for the most part not wealthy enough to benefit by any of the Republican promises and goals.

            In that the largest increases of the deficit Nationally have fallen upon Reagan and W Bush in modern times is no mere coincidence. They were the tax cut and spend like drunken sailors leaders in my humble opinion. That Bill Clinton reduced the deficit also does not fit into the right wing world view, in my mind, and only reinforces what I am commenting about.

            Smaller govt is just a buzz word, like liberal media, or fiscally conservative Republicans, or activist judges… and it only applies to the projects they do not like and would like to see overturned.

            So what do we see in Washington? Fiscal conservatives? I don’t think so. Not when they jam the tax breaks for the wealthy down our throats and in the next breath wish to blow up Social Security, the one entitlement that pays it’s own way..

            I do not work for or support the goals of the Koch Brothers, or any of these arch conservatives be they Bill Schuette or the Engler cronies or Rick Snyder. I will not stand down on this.

            Everyone has a right to have their own political likes and dislikes. But you are not entitled to have your own set of facts. That is where I specifically criticize our Republicans at all levels. They smear and lie and know a certain percent of their base will embrace those untruths.

            Sorta like the Obama birther bologna. Republican leaders like John Boehner say they believe he is a Christian (I’ll take em at his word he says), and they say he was born in Hawaii (but will not criticize the nut cases who are in their party who claim otherwise). This is political smear at it’s sleaziest. It is political theatre at it’s best. Would you suggest it adds to the good of the discourse?

            Can you show me a comparable Dem sleaze story?

            Do we remember Whitewater and Vince Foster? Do we see Citizens United as a good thing in America. This is the pattern that goes back for years and continues to this day.

            Yes I am morally above behaving this way. For sure.

          • Anonymous

            I quoted you directly. Let me explain, you are a bigot because you only accept the negative statements about people that think differently you. You celebrate their flaws and use them as fuel to hate them even more. If a Republican had a good idea you would dismiss it. If a Republican did do something good you would attribute it to an alterior motive. Why would you want me to share a “Dem sleazy story”? I’m not here to critique Democrats to you, that would be a waste of my time. But you’re a bigot and fool if you think there aren’t any (sleazy Dem stories).

          • George Washington Hayduke

            you seem to be getting out of control and beginning the personal attacks. I would like you to share a Democratic tale that comes anywhere close to the bad behavior of Republicans on a State or Federal basis. Maybe the Gulf of Tonkin would fit the bill, but that was a long time ago.

            There are none in these more modern times.

            I am neither a bigot or a fool. How unkind for you to suggest this.

            I guess when you get your ass whipped in debate you must reduce the dialogue to personal attacks.

            Myself, I personally feel you are a good person who is mislead by your political party.

            you quoted me directly, but like a typical zealot, you applied the quotes to a position I never took in this forum. Out of context is out of context. Puleese, ya’ll can do better than this, eh?

            take it to the house

    • Anonymous

      The first step to economic recovery in ANY region, is obvious…THE PEOPLE MUST HAVE JOBS! to tax poor people or RETIRED people is ludicrious! to then give tax breaks to business is actually ok, a small step in the right direction, but perhaps he gave too much of a break, if he had to tax the poor and retired..he should have moved that tax to coorporations. I know you are thinking, “but then businesses wont move here?” well, it’s a risk, but they do the most damage to the environment. so the extra tax to them, is the most reasonable and fair. And our water system and highways gives them access to many states and another country so they have an awesome key location. They have to determine Michigan is worth a little extra tax. Because Michigan IS worth it. He knows it too, that is why he is trying to sell it out from under us and make it corporate michigan.
      But he may have an alterier motive for taxing the poor and the retired…It seems that when a community is deemed poor the Gov. gets to give it to a financial advisor or corporation of his choice to “fix” it. Said entity will remain above the law and have the ability to remove all elected official and handle all financial matters without encumbrance or input from the community, shut down the schools, and have the right to void all collective bargaining rights.
      Taxing retirement…by this time next year, the argument will be, how did he take all those pensions away and nobody saw it coming?
      So that is probably why he is taxing the poor and pooling the school monies.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t say I like all of this, but if this is what we have to do to get our state back on track, then so be it. I am retired and now will have to pay more taxes, but if I have to do this to make a better state for my grandchildren then so be it. I think a little could be asked of all of the unions in Mi. also. I read an article when Snyder said the state workers were making quite alot more the regular workers, whats wrong with this picture!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=502982302 Donna Pappas

    id like to know why regulations cant be placed on medical, such as why cant the cost of meds be the same as canada, or why can doctor visits and test be set to a limit, all aspects of medical be regulated to priceing, insurance the same, if the cost go down in one area it will all go down in others, or u can all chose the obama care then kick your own ass’s in a couple of years when u find out it works better for non- americans ,,,,,,,,,

    • Anonymous

      Because that would hurt the corporations bottom line!

  • Anonymous

    Don’t people remember what MI was like after Engler and Snyder made it the State with the highest number of new businesses in the country? We were polluted and bankrupt when Engler left(technically bankrupt,and almost literally). It didn’t work, and now we’re trying it again? We are sheep led to slaughter!

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  • Anonymous

    The Michigan Public school have been cut down to the bone. Anyone who has a child in public school can tell you that!! I thought education was one of the most important issue today. The public schools do not even have books to work with to help teacher the kids in class!! Also cutting the public services EX: police and fire will only hurt our commuities, I don’t think the people in the high crime areas of michigan will be too happy with this since all of are taxes are going up and we the people of michigan have nothing to show for this except more people leaving this state!

  • http://www.facebook.com/kristina.tabacco Kris Tabacco

    WE are the only ones “sacrificing”. And this “sacrifice” only appeases the businesses (and I mean BIG business…mom and pop businesses don’t benefit), this “sacrifice” (of 1.7 billion “poor man’s” dollars) doesn’t even begin to touch the deficit….we will have to “sacrifice” more if we want to tackle that.

    Reaganomics doesn’t work….to continue believing in that lie is like waiting for Santa on Christmas morning.

  • Anonymous

    As a teacher and a union member for 20 years I say- HOLD our unions MORE accountable for the fiscal situation of public education. I make 1/5 of the salary of the MEA president- and our union is IN BED with the entity responsible for OUT OF CONTROL health insurance costs- MESSA.

    As a citizen of Michigan and a mother in a small town I say- GOOD for you Gov. Snyder!! We are losing all of our small businesses because the tax rates & regulations are prohibitive. We are losing our families because there are no jobs to be had at these businesses.

    If big government is the answer to our problems, we all FAIL. The government does not produce anything, especially not revenue. We need to make Michigan OPEN for business once again. Snyder’s policies should encourage more commerce and less ball & chain labor tactics.

    And by the way, can we ask ourselves WHY it costs our students upwards of $50,000 a year to get a higher education at our universities? This is a bigger evil than so-called BIG BUSINESS.

    • Anonymous

      Gov. Snyder IS big government. He is an autocrat. He rules an oligarchy where big business and their profits are his primary concern. The little guy and gal make up the majority but the big business at the top rule. If they want to run a business and need to use your air, water, and soil leaving behind pollutants that poison you ;then their government dumps the regulations allowing them to run without cleaning up their operation.. and continue making big profits. Big deal if you and your kids get sick. They won’t let that cut into their profits. If they don’t like paying taxes that cut into those profits then they have the Gov. dictate “There shall be lower business taxes”. The services a community needs (roads, water supply, police, fire protection) will be paid for by the middle class. GE paid no income taxes for 2010 but made billions in record profits. You can add Exxon, Bank of America and a few others to that list. Many who received government bailouts in 2009 from you and I (corporate welfare) the CEO’s of these companies received record bonus for record profits and few or no taxes. Is that fair? Gov. Snyder just took over Benton Harbor without the consent of the people. He booted out the elected officials took away the local peoples park and is turning it into a rich man’s paradise on Lake Michigan. Annual membership ,$5,000 a year. What middle class family can afford that? The Park was free to everyone. NOW that’s Big government…Need a little more of that you think? Is “His Majesty” Snyder really what we need. To make it more personal he can now combine your little town with the next little town to “consolidate services and save money” which means one of the towns has to get rid of it’s fire dept. Let’s say your town is selected to dismantle it’s fire station. So help is further away for you and your insurance company will want to know this so they can increase your premiums because you just became more of a risk factor. And what about the jobs lost at your home town fire station? Same for police. Feel safer now?
      I have worked for Union shops and non-union. And I see problems with Union shops but I see much bigger and more unfair practices at non-union. In a non-union you are totally at the mercy of the business/company owner and that is not good.
      God help us here in Michigan. I will fight the fight for the middle class as I am able and hope you do as well. Other states are also being assaulted by the top 1% super rich that want to take over and rule. But just because you have money doesn’t mean your in this group. There are still a few good soul’s with a conscience.
      Let’s work together for the good of all..

    • Anonymous

      The government needs to uses common sense , higher taxes on pension is not one interfering with education is not one cutting taxes on business is good if they create job the more jobs the bigger the tax break no new jobs no tax break or how about people who cost us MILLIONS and MILLIONS by living on welfare for 5 , 10 , 15 years and do nothing to get off oh yah no one whats to talk about that which is one way to save money big money but instead let cut funds for the police , fire we have done this for years and maybe just maybe we need to stop doing it common sense think about it

  • Anonymous

    beware of the ppl u vote 4…this is sick an crazy..crime will be everywhere.any1 that feels as if this is a good thing, SHAME ON YOU..and what kind of person are u?..u dont have to answer now, but youll live with it 4ever!!!!!!!in IN HELL.