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	<title>Comments on: Former Congressman Schwarz leads stem cell research discussion panel</title>
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		<title>By: LoRayne Apo-Joynt</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/462/former-congressman-schwarz-leads-stem-cell-research-discussion-panel/comment-page-1#comment-1671</link>
		<dc:creator>LoRayne Apo-Joynt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;And of course you are clearly disclosing your position&lt;/strong&gt; ...as a consultant to conservatives who might have a vested interest in your critique of Baum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>And of course you are clearly disclosing your position</strong> &#8230;as a consultant to conservatives who might have a vested interest in your critique of Baum.</p>
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		<title>By: chetly</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/462/former-congressman-schwarz-leads-stem-cell-research-discussion-panel/comment-page-1#comment-1670</link>
		<dc:creator>chetly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Not a lawyer&lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;m not a lawyer, and the two entities are ballot question committee, not PACs (much different rules).&#160; One is active, one is inactive.&#160; The active is a reincarnation of the inactive.&#160; The significance of Marcia Baum, whom you mention in this article, taking $10 in consulting fees from the ballot committee in 2006, and also simultaneously running a non-profit of a similar mission, should almost be obvious.&#160; It raises questions of self-dealing, and the political purpose of her non-profit.&#160; Nothing illegal - just doesn&#039;t look good, even to, or especially to, one&#039;s own donors.&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not &quot;promoting my blog&quot; here, except in a very indirect way.&#160; That link is highly relevant to your story here.&#160; Is it against MM policy to post relevant links in comments?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;PS - I did file a campaign complaint on a separate PAC issue I reported the same day dealing with Jon Stryker.&#160; Separate issue though.&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Not a lawyer</strong> I&#39;m not a lawyer, and the two entities are ballot question committee, not PACs (much different rules).&nbsp; One is active, one is inactive.&nbsp; The active is a reincarnation of the inactive.&nbsp; The significance of Marcia Baum, whom you mention in this article, taking $10 in consulting fees from the ballot committee in 2006, and also simultaneously running a non-profit of a similar mission, should almost be obvious.&nbsp; It raises questions of self-dealing, and the political purpose of her non-profit.&nbsp; Nothing illegal &#8211; just doesn&#39;t look good, even to, or especially to, one&#39;s own donors.
<p>I&#39;m not &#8220;promoting my blog&#8221; here, except in a very indirect way.&nbsp; That link is highly relevant to your story here.&nbsp; Is it against MM policy to post relevant links in comments?</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I did file a campaign complaint on a separate PAC issue I reported the same day dealing with Jon Stryker.&nbsp; Separate issue though.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Shopshire</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/462/former-congressman-schwarz-leads-stem-cell-research-discussion-panel/comment-page-1#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Shopshire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thanks for the comments&lt;/strong&gt; I don&#039;t see the significance of two inactive PACs, but then again I&#039;m not a lawyer like you. You can do two things; file a complaint if there is something illegal. I know you know how to do that, or you can show up at the forum and listen to the discussion. In the future, if you want to promote one of your blogs I might be able to get you in touch with someone who might be able to sell you an ad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Thanks for the comments</strong> I don&#39;t see the significance of two inactive PACs, but then again I&#39;m not a lawyer like you. You can do two things; file a complaint if there is something illegal. I know you know how to do that, or you can show up at the forum and listen to the discussion. In the future, if you want to promote one of your blogs I might be able to get you in touch with someone who might be able to sell you an ad.</p>
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		<title>By: chetly</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/462/former-congressman-schwarz-leads-stem-cell-research-discussion-panel/comment-page-1#comment-1668</link>
		<dc:creator>chetly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Interestingly though, MCSCRC takes money from ballot questions&lt;/strong&gt; It&#039;s interesting that you call this organization &quot;non-profit, non-partisan ... does not endorse, propose or oppose legislation.&quot;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve reported it on it here, almost three weeks ago:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outsidelansing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=85&quot;&gt;http://www.outsidela...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;In that campaign finance expose, I note how Marcia Baum accepted $10K in cash for consulting from the similarly named 2006 ballot question committee (which has reformed for 2008 with the same Dykema Gossett Treasurer), and the non-profit itself was gifted the remaining $7500.&#160; Granting ballot question money to a charity is legal - granting it in cash for &quot;consulting&quot; to the head the same charity for an amount almost half of the total the committee raised raises a ton of questions both about the depth of the relationship and what work was actually performed given the committee&#039;s short existence in 2004.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, yes, it is a &quot;non-profit&quot; because anyone can go get IRS c3 status.&#160; It may not be &quot;partisan&quot; because most issue committees have cross-partisan interest - and I have considerable sympathy towards the stem-cell cause (but not necessarily means, particularly given the promise of more ethical adult stem-cell research) myself having had relatives pass from Alzheimer&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;But to suggest that it doesn&#039;t endorse, propose or oppose legislation - given the intermingling of its leaders and money with the ballot question is questionable.&#160; I grant that you may not have been aware of these issues, which is why I note it here.&#160; The preponderance of evidence is that this non-profit&#039;s &quot;educational&quot; mission is tenuous at best - it exists to influence the political debate (otherwise, I&#039;d expect the group to bring in speakers from both sides of the issue, etc.). There&#039;s nothing wrong with that - let&#039;s just admit it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Interestingly though, MCSCRC takes money from ballot questions</strong> It&#39;s interesting that you call this organization &#8220;non-profit, non-partisan &#8230; does not endorse, propose or oppose legislation.&#8221;
<p>I&#39;ve reported it on it here, almost three weeks ago:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.outsidelansing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=85">http://www.outsidela&#8230;</a></p>
<p>In that campaign finance expose, I note how Marcia Baum accepted $10K in cash for consulting from the similarly named 2006 ballot question committee (which has reformed for 2008 with the same Dykema Gossett Treasurer), and the non-profit itself was gifted the remaining $7500.&nbsp; Granting ballot question money to a charity is legal &#8211; granting it in cash for &#8220;consulting&#8221; to the head the same charity for an amount almost half of the total the committee raised raises a ton of questions both about the depth of the relationship and what work was actually performed given the committee&#39;s short existence in 2004.</p>
<p>So, yes, it is a &#8220;non-profit&#8221; because anyone can go get IRS c3 status.&nbsp; It may not be &#8220;partisan&#8221; because most issue committees have cross-partisan interest &#8211; and I have considerable sympathy towards the stem-cell cause (but not necessarily means, particularly given the promise of more ethical adult stem-cell research) myself having had relatives pass from Alzheimer&#39;s.</p>
<p>But to suggest that it doesn&#39;t endorse, propose or oppose legislation &#8211; given the intermingling of its leaders and money with the ballot question is questionable.&nbsp; I grant that you may not have been aware of these issues, which is why I note it here.&nbsp; The preponderance of evidence is that this non-profit&#39;s &#8220;educational&#8221; mission is tenuous at best &#8211; it exists to influence the political debate (otherwise, I&#39;d expect the group to bring in speakers from both sides of the issue, etc.). There&#39;s nothing wrong with that &#8211; let&#39;s just admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: chetly</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/462/former-congressman-schwarz-leads-stem-cell-research-discussion-panel/comment-page-1#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>chetly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Interestingly though, MCSCRC takes money from ballot questions&lt;/strong&gt; It&#039;s interesting that you call this organization &quot;non-profit, non-partisan ... does not endorse, propose or oppose legislation.&quot;&lt;p&gt;
I&#039;ve reported it on it here, almost three weeks ago:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outsidelansing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=85&quot;&gt;http://www.outsidela...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;
In that campaign finance expose, I note how Marcia Baum accepted $10K in cash for consulting from the similarly named 2006 ballot question committee (which has reformed for 2008 with the same Dykema Gossett Treasurer), and the non-profit itself was gifted the remaining $7500.&#160; Granting ballot question money to a charity is legal - granting it in cash for &quot;consulting&quot; to the head the same charity for an amount almost half of the total the committee raised raises a ton of questions both about the depth of the relationship and what work was actually performed given the committee&#039;s short existence in 2004.&lt;p&gt;
So, yes, it is a &quot;non-profit&quot; because anyone can go get IRS c3 status.&#160; It may not be &quot;partisan&quot; because most issue committees have cross-partisan interest - and I have considerable sympathy towards the stem-cell cause (but not necessarily means, particularly given the promise of more ethical adult stem-cell research) myself having had relatives pass from Alzheimer&#039;s.&lt;p&gt;
But to suggest that it doesn&#039;t endorse, propose or oppose legislation - given the intermingling of its leaders and money with the ballot question is questionable.&#160; I grant that you may not have been aware of these issues, which is why I note it here.&#160; The preponderance of evidence is that this non-profit&#039;s &quot;educational&quot; mission is tenuous at best - it exists to influence the political debate (otherwise, I&#039;d expect the group to bring in speakers from both sides of the issue, etc.). There&#039;s nothing wrong with that - let&#039;s just admit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Interestingly though, MCSCRC takes money from ballot questions</strong> It&#8217;s interesting that you call this organization &#8220;non-profit, non-partisan &#8230; does not endorse, propose or oppose legislation.&#8221;
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I&#8217;ve reported it on it here, almost three weeks ago:<br />
<a href="http://www.outsidelansing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=85">http://www.outsidela&#8230;</a></p>
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In that campaign finance expose, I note how Marcia Baum accepted $10K in cash for consulting from the similarly named 2006 ballot question committee (which has reformed for 2008 with the same Dykema Gossett Treasurer), and the non-profit itself was gifted the remaining $7500.&nbsp; Granting ballot question money to a charity is legal &#8211; granting it in cash for &#8220;consulting&#8221; to the head the same charity for an amount almost half of the total the committee raised raises a ton of questions both about the depth of the relationship and what work was actually performed given the committee&#8217;s short existence in 2004.</p>
<p>
So, yes, it is a &#8220;non-profit&#8221; because anyone can go get IRS c3 status.&nbsp; It may not be &#8220;partisan&#8221; because most issue committees have cross-partisan interest &#8211; and I have considerable sympathy towards the stem-cell cause (but not necessarily means, particularly given the promise of more ethical adult stem-cell research) myself having had relatives pass from Alzheimer&#8217;s.</p>
<p>
But to suggest that it doesn&#8217;t endorse, propose or oppose legislation &#8211; given the intermingling of its leaders and money with the ballot question is questionable.&nbsp; I grant that you may not have been aware of these issues, which is why I note it here.&nbsp; The preponderance of evidence is that this non-profit&#8217;s &#8220;educational&#8221; mission is tenuous at best &#8211; it exists to influence the political debate (otherwise, I&#8217;d expect the group to bring in speakers from both sides of the issue, etc.). There&#8217;s nothing wrong with that &#8211; let&#8217;s just admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Shopshire</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/462/former-congressman-schwarz-leads-stem-cell-research-discussion-panel/comment-page-1#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Shopshire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thanks for the comments&lt;/strong&gt; I don&#039;t see the significance of two inactive PACs, but then again I&#039;m not a lawyer like you. You can do two things; file a complaint if there is something illegal. I know you know how to do that, or you can show up at the forum and listen to the discussion. In the future, if you want to promote one of your blogs I might be able to get you in touch with someone who might be able to sell you an ad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Thanks for the comments</strong> I don&#8217;t see the significance of two inactive PACs, but then again I&#8217;m not a lawyer like you. You can do two things; file a complaint if there is something illegal. I know you know how to do that, or you can show up at the forum and listen to the discussion. In the future, if you want to promote one of your blogs I might be able to get you in touch with someone who might be able to sell you an ad.</p>
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		<title>By: chetly</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/462/former-congressman-schwarz-leads-stem-cell-research-discussion-panel/comment-page-1#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>chetly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Not a lawyer&lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;m not a lawyer, and the two entities are ballot question committee, not PACs (much different rules).&#160; One is active, one is inactive.&#160; The active is a reincarnation of the inactive.&#160; The significance of Marcia Baum, whom you mention in this article, taking $10 in consulting fees from the ballot committee in 2006, and also simultaneously running a non-profit of a similar mission, should almost be obvious.&#160; It raises questions of self-dealing, and the political purpose of her non-profit.&#160; Nothing illegal - just doesn&#039;t look good, even to, or especially to, one&#039;s own donors.&lt;p&gt;
I&#039;m not &quot;promoting my blog&quot; here, except in a very indirect way.&#160; That link is highly relevant to your story here.&#160; Is it against MM policy to post relevant links in comments?&lt;p&gt;
PS - I did file a campaign complaint on a separate PAC issue I reported the same day dealing with Jon Stryker.&#160; Separate issue though.&#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Not a lawyer</strong> I&#8217;m not a lawyer, and the two entities are ballot question committee, not PACs (much different rules).&nbsp; One is active, one is inactive.&nbsp; The active is a reincarnation of the inactive.&nbsp; The significance of Marcia Baum, whom you mention in this article, taking $10 in consulting fees from the ballot committee in 2006, and also simultaneously running a non-profit of a similar mission, should almost be obvious.&nbsp; It raises questions of self-dealing, and the political purpose of her non-profit.&nbsp; Nothing illegal &#8211; just doesn&#8217;t look good, even to, or especially to, one&#8217;s own donors.
<p>
I&#8217;m not &#8220;promoting my blog&#8221; here, except in a very indirect way.&nbsp; That link is highly relevant to your story here.&nbsp; Is it against MM policy to post relevant links in comments?</p>
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PS &#8211; I did file a campaign complaint on a separate PAC issue I reported the same day dealing with Jon Stryker.&nbsp; Separate issue though.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: LoRayne Apo-Joynt</title>
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		<dc:creator>LoRayne Apo-Joynt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;And of course you are clearly disclosing your position&lt;/strong&gt; ...as a consultant to conservatives who might have a vested interest in your critique of Baum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>And of course you are clearly disclosing your position</strong> &#8230;as a consultant to conservatives who might have a vested interest in your critique of Baum.</p>
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