Comments on: Former GOP operative explains why Republicans will use foreclosure lists to block voters http://michiganmessenger.com/4414/former-gop-operative-explains-why-republicans-will-use-foreclosure-lists-to-block-voters The Michigan Messenger is a local news site covering politics and policy throughout Michigan. Its team delivers original reporting daily. The Michigan Messenger is published by the nonpartisan and nonprofit group American Independent News Network. Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:19:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Lose your home. Lose your vote. « S t r e e t S c e n e http://michiganmessenger.com/4414/former-gop-operative-explains-why-republicans-will-use-foreclosure-lists-to-block-voters/comment-page-1#comment-3395 Lose your home. Lose your vote. « S t r e e t S c e n e Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:02:49 +0000 http://www.michiganmessenger.com/?p=4414#comment-3395 [...] As crazy as that sounds, it’s exactly what’s being planned in Michigan and Ohio. The Michigan Messenger has found evidence that the Republican Party is seeking to use foreclosure lists as a means to deny [...] [...] As crazy as that sounds, it’s exactly what’s being planned in Michigan and Ohio. The Michigan Messenger has found evidence that the Republican Party is seeking to use foreclosure lists as a means to deny [...]

]]> By: chetlyzarko http://michiganmessenger.com/4414/former-gop-operative-explains-why-republicans-will-use-foreclosure-lists-to-block-voters/comment-page-1#comment-17293 chetlyzarko Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:49:56 +0000 http://www.michiganmessenger.com/?p=4414#comment-17293 I wouldn't dismiss them entirely for these reasons either. On the other hand, I wouldn't accept them blindly either -- he's trying to sell a book, and this tell-all angle has in the past proven to be prone to exaggeration by people on either side of the aisle. I wouldn't dismiss them entirely for these reasons either. On the other hand, I wouldn't accept them blindly either — he's trying to sell a book, and this tell-all angle has in the past proven to be prone to exaggeration by people on either side of the aisle.

]]> By: serendipitist http://michiganmessenger.com/4414/former-gop-operative-explains-why-republicans-will-use-foreclosure-lists-to-block-voters/comment-page-1#comment-17292 serendipitist Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:42:12 +0000 http://www.michiganmessenger.com/?p=4414#comment-17292 I have nothing personal against you. I can't say whether I like you or don't like you because I don't know you. I do, however, disagree with you. <br><br>I don't care if you support Bush or not, that is not the point (I used him as an example because he is an easily recognizable figure). Are they really unconnected? I'm not saying that Raymond is automatically trustworthy because Bush is "the biggest moron in history". I'm saying that Bush provides a good counterexample to your logic.<br><br>Just because a person does not speak/write well does not mean he is not familiar with an issue. Perhaps that person is simply not an expert at communicating? <br><br>All I am saying is that I am not ready to dismiss Raymond's claims simply because I disagree with his syntax. Like Rayne1 said, he was enough of an expert to be hired by the GOP.<br><br>That said, I will agree to disagree. Good-bye and good luck! I have nothing personal against you. I can't say whether I like you or don't like you because I don't know you. I do, however, disagree with you.

I don't care if you support Bush or not, that is not the point (I used him as an example because he is an easily recognizable figure). Are they really unconnected? I'm not saying that Raymond is automatically trustworthy because Bush is “the biggest moron in history”. I'm saying that Bush provides a good counterexample to your logic.

Just because a person does not speak/write well does not mean he is not familiar with an issue. Perhaps that person is simply not an expert at communicating?

All I am saying is that I am not ready to dismiss Raymond's claims simply because I disagree with his syntax. Like Rayne1 said, he was enough of an expert to be hired by the GOP.

That said, I will agree to disagree. Good-bye and good luck!

]]> By: Rayne1 http://michiganmessenger.com/4414/former-gop-operative-explains-why-republicans-will-use-foreclosure-lists-to-block-voters/comment-page-1#comment-17290 Rayne1 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:55:05 +0000 http://www.michiganmessenger.com/?p=4414#comment-17290 Raymond was enough of an expert for the Republican Party to use his services.<br><br>If readers would like to make up their own minds about Raymond, they could view interviews with him at Velvet Revolution (here's one link to 4 videos: <a href="http://www.velvetrevolution.us/#012308" rel="nofollow">http://www.velvetrevolution.us/#012308</a> -- there are at least 8 other videos at that site with Raymond). Raymond was enough of an expert for the Republican Party to use his services.

If readers would like to make up their own minds about Raymond, they could view interviews with him at Velvet Revolution (here's one link to 4 videos: http://www.velvetrevolution.us/#012308 — there are at least 8 other videos at that site with Raymond).

]]> By: chetlyzarko http://michiganmessenger.com/4414/former-gop-operative-explains-why-republicans-will-use-foreclosure-lists-to-block-voters/comment-page-1#comment-17291 chetlyzarko Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:50:35 +0000 http://www.michiganmessenger.com/?p=4414#comment-17291 You just don't like me or my argument and don't want to believe it, so you attack my reasoning by pointing to another person who you assume I support (there many things with Bush I disagree upon) who is also not expert, but that has no relevance to Raymond. The two are unconnected. Bush could be the biggest moron in history and unworthy of the office -- that doesn't make Raymond an expert in election knowledge or impact my arguments that he demonstrates lack of knowledge of key terms. It's not just "lingo" or "jargon" - but those are signs of expertise. "Demographics" is a pretty basic term, and "geo-political" is a wholly different term in another field (foreign relations). You just don't like me or my argument and don't want to believe it, so you attack my reasoning by pointing to another person who you assume I support (there many things with Bush I disagree upon) who is also not expert, but that has no relevance to Raymond. The two are unconnected. Bush could be the biggest moron in history and unworthy of the office — that doesn't make Raymond an expert in election knowledge or impact my arguments that he demonstrates lack of knowledge of key terms. It's not just “lingo” or “jargon” – but those are signs of expertise. “Demographics” is a pretty basic term, and “geo-political” is a wholly different term in another field (foreign relations).

]]> By: chetlyzarko http://michiganmessenger.com/4414/former-gop-operative-explains-why-republicans-will-use-foreclosure-lists-to-block-voters/comment-page-1#comment-11180 chetlyzarko Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:49:56 +0000 http://www.michiganmessenger.com/?p=4414#comment-11180 I wouldn't dismiss them entirely for these reasons either. On the other hand, I wouldn't accept them blindly either -- he's trying to sell a book, and this tell-all angle has in the past proven to be prone to exaggeration by people on either side of the aisle. I wouldn't dismiss them entirely for these reasons either. On the other hand, I wouldn't accept them blindly either — he's trying to sell a book, and this tell-all angle has in the past proven to be prone to exaggeration by people on either side of the aisle.

]]> By: serendipitist http://michiganmessenger.com/4414/former-gop-operative-explains-why-republicans-will-use-foreclosure-lists-to-block-voters/comment-page-1#comment-11179 serendipitist Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:42:12 +0000 http://www.michiganmessenger.com/?p=4414#comment-11179 I have nothing personal against you. I can't say whether I like you or don't like you because I don't know you. I do, however, disagree with you. <br><br>I don't care if you support Bush or not, that is not the point (I used him as an example because he is an easily recognizable figure). Are they really unconnected? I'm not saying that Raymond is automatically trustworthy because Bush is "the biggest moron in history". I'm saying that Bush provides a good counterexample to your logic.<br><br>Just because a person does not speak/write well does not mean he is not familiar with an issue. Perhaps that person is simply not an expert at communicating? <br><br>All I am saying is that I am not ready to dismiss Raymond's claims simply because I disagree with his syntax. Like Rayne1 said, he was enough of an expert to be hired by the GOP.<br><br>That said, I will agree to disagree. Good-bye and good luck! I have nothing personal against you. I can't say whether I like you or don't like you because I don't know you. I do, however, disagree with you.

I don't care if you support Bush or not, that is not the point (I used him as an example because he is an easily recognizable figure). Are they really unconnected? I'm not saying that Raymond is automatically trustworthy because Bush is “the biggest moron in history”. I'm saying that Bush provides a good counterexample to your logic.

Just because a person does not speak/write well does not mean he is not familiar with an issue. Perhaps that person is simply not an expert at communicating?

All I am saying is that I am not ready to dismiss Raymond's claims simply because I disagree with his syntax. Like Rayne1 said, he was enough of an expert to be hired by the GOP.

That said, I will agree to disagree. Good-bye and good luck!

]]> By: chetlyzarko http://michiganmessenger.com/4414/former-gop-operative-explains-why-republicans-will-use-foreclosure-lists-to-block-voters/comment-page-1#comment-3261 chetlyzarko Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:49:56 +0000 http://www.michiganmessenger.com/?p=4414#comment-3261 I wouldn't dismiss them entirely for these reasons either. On the other hand, I wouldn't accept them blindly either -- he's trying to sell a book, and this tell-all angle has in the past proven to be prone to exaggeration by people on either side of the aisle. I wouldn't dismiss them entirely for these reasons either. On the other hand, I wouldn't accept them blindly either — he's trying to sell a book, and this tell-all angle has in the past proven to be prone to exaggeration by people on either side of the aisle.

]]> By: serendipitist http://michiganmessenger.com/4414/former-gop-operative-explains-why-republicans-will-use-foreclosure-lists-to-block-voters/comment-page-1#comment-3260 serendipitist Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:42:12 +0000 http://www.michiganmessenger.com/?p=4414#comment-3260 I have nothing personal against you. I can't say whether I like your or don't like you because I don't know you. I do, however, disagree with you. <br><br>I don't care if you support Bush or not, that is not the point (I used him as an example because he is an easily recognizable figure). Are they really unconnected? I'm not saying that Raymond is automatically trustworthy because Bush is "the biggest moron in history". I'm saying that Bush provides a good counterexample to your logic.<br><br>Just because a person does not speak/write well does not mean he is not familiar with an issue. Perhaps that person is simply not an expert at communicating? <br><br>All I am saying is that I am not ready to dismiss Raymond's claims simply because I disagree with his syntax. Like Rayne1 said, he was enough of an expert to be hired by the GOP.<br><br>That said, I will agree to disagree. Good-bye and good luck! I have nothing personal against you. I can't say whether I like your or don't like you because I don't know you. I do, however, disagree with you.

I don't care if you support Bush or not, that is not the point (I used him as an example because he is an easily recognizable figure). Are they really unconnected? I'm not saying that Raymond is automatically trustworthy because Bush is “the biggest moron in history”. I'm saying that Bush provides a good counterexample to your logic.

Just because a person does not speak/write well does not mean he is not familiar with an issue. Perhaps that person is simply not an expert at communicating?

All I am saying is that I am not ready to dismiss Raymond's claims simply because I disagree with his syntax. Like Rayne1 said, he was enough of an expert to be hired by the GOP.

That said, I will agree to disagree. Good-bye and good luck!

]]> By: Rayne1 http://michiganmessenger.com/4414/former-gop-operative-explains-why-republicans-will-use-foreclosure-lists-to-block-voters/comment-page-1#comment-3259 Rayne1 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:55:05 +0000 http://www.michiganmessenger.com/?p=4414#comment-3259 Raymond was enough of an expert for the Republican Party to use his services.<br><br>If readers would like to make up their own minds about Raymond, they could view interviews with him at Velvet Revolution (here's one link to 4 videos: <a href="http://www.velvetrevolution.us/#012308">http://www.velvetrevolution.us/#012308</a> -- there are at least 8 other videos at that site with Raymond). Raymond was enough of an expert for the Republican Party to use his services.

If readers would like to make up their own minds about Raymond, they could view interviews with him at Velvet Revolution (here's one link to 4 videos: http://www.velvetrevolution.us/#012308 — there are at least 8 other videos at that site with Raymond).

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