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Students, community activists plan to protest Ingham County Prosecutor

By Todd A. Heywood | 10.01.10 | 10:12 am

Michigan State University students and community activists from the greater Lansing region will descend on Veteran’s Memorial Courthouse in downtown Lansing Friday morning for a planned eight hour protest. They will protest from 9 a.m. until 5 p.m.

MSU students Emily Syrja, Matt Staples and Elizabeth Battiste prepare signed to protest Ingham County Prosecutor Stuart Dunnings III.

Activists are targeting Ingham County Prosecutor Stuart Dunnings III over his decision not to issue charges in an alleged sexual assault on campus in late August. Michigan Messenger reported Wednesday that the two accused are both basketball players with the MSU Spartans.

Dunnings has since told various media outlets, including Fox 17 in Grand Rapids and the Grand Rapids Press, that the victim can come back to the department and he will meet with her and review the case and consider possibly issuing charges.

The students preparing for the protest want that to happen.

“My biggest desire would be for the victim to get her day in court before a judge and jury,” says Matt Staples, 22.

“I hope to inspire an open and honest conversation about how safe our community is,” says Elizabeth Battiste, 20. “I’m not expecting the basketball players to be kicked off the team or convicted of a crime, but I want there to be justice for the victim.”

For 20-year-old Emily Syrja the goal of the protest stretches beyond the case of the basketball players.

“I hope it can bring attention to not just this case, but to the lack of prosecution of cases in general and in this county in particular,” she says, as she continues to letter her sign for the protest.

“If I was a rapist, I would want to live in Ingham County,” says Battiste.

That’s pretty high rhetoric, but it’s backed up by the experience of the three in the trenches dealing with sexual assaults and their aftermath in the community. They are members of the Sexual Assault Crisis Intervention student group. The group works with sexual assault programs doing training and outreach, but it also works in immediate crisis response.

Lansing’s Sparrow Hospital runs a certified Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner’s Program (SANE) where nurses with special training in forensic evidence collection and testimony for court conduct exams of victims of sexual assault.

When a victim shows up at the hospital, the staff page the SANE staff member on call. That page also goes to the volunteers from the MSU student group. Both the SANE staff member and the volunteers meet at the hospital. There they introduce themselves to the victim. The goal of the SANE staff member is collect evidence, as well as provide medical care. The volunteers are there to provide support and resources for the victim. They also provide primary crisis counseling.

Staples, who has been involved in the program for seven months, has responded to nearly 40 cases. Battiste, who has been working with the program for two years, and Syrja, who has been involved for a year, wouldn’t say how many cases they have been involved in.

Of the nearly 40 cases Staples has been involved in, he is aware of only one case that resulted in an arrest. Part of that, he says, is that the follow up from the program happens only once, unless the victim takes advantage of other services they provide. But he says the real issue is that many victims won’t report the crime.

Battiste says there are several reasons for that. “Some of them can’t give a very good description of the person who did it, because it was some one they didn’t know,” she says. “Sometimes — a lot of times — the victim knows the attacker too well. They are a family member or some one they have had a relationship with.”

As a result, when a situation like the Wonders Hall incident come up, and the prosecutor declines to issue charges, it drives victims further away from the legal system, the activists say.

“It says justice is unsure. They don’t know if they want to spend their time on it because it is not a community shattering event,” says Staples. “It’s a quiet event.”

Comments

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/Uhura.LT Lt. Uhura

    At least they are focusing on the prosecutor's office which is where the worst cases get dropped. But Ingham County is pretty good about sexual assaults compared with some of the more rural counties like Clinton County. You can forget it if you get raped there, especially if you are a child.

    • RichardGoezinya

      Stupid broads. And what happens when she gets into court and witnesses say she was heard saying “I'm going to get some cock tonight”?

      And when she has to testify that she was playing strip nerfball with these guys and never thought twice.

      That she asked how come he didn't ask if I was finished?

      How about when the suitemates say they came in and she was moaning sexually?

      Just for a minute, why not consider that this wasn't rape, but a girl who went in and had sex with two guys, then later on may have thought twice about living in the dorm with these guys all year.

      Are we saying a senior doesn't know better than to sleep with two incoming frosh?

    • RichardGoezinya

      I bet Matt Staples doesn't cry rape when Todd Heywood's taking him anally.

  • Scott084

    These yahoos want this alleged victim to have “her day in court.”

    That seems to mean that they believe that in Ingham County if anyone complains about you (and seemingly, even if they do NOT file a complaint, you should have to put your life's freedom at risk in a trial and financially ruin yourself hiring attorneys.

    While one member of the Lansing lunatic fringe screams out that “If I was a rapist, I would want to live in Ingham County,” others might suggest that if she gets her way, anyone who wishes to avoid arrest on flimsy charges should move OUT of Ingham County.

  • bbconner64

    Here’s what we know

    Coercion-the act of coercing; use of force or intimidation to obtain compliance.

    Written by Stuart Dunning:

    Criminal Sexual Conduct charges against an adult victim requires the element of force and/or coercion. After review of this report no one could find any of these necessary elements present.

    Statement by one of the males involved

    At some point in the interaction he understood the girl to be reluctant and indicated she did not want to continue having sex with either of them. When the girl stated “I don’t want this” he no longer had sex with her. Male #1 stated male #2 continued to have sex with her against her reluctance and statements that she no longer wanted to continue. Male #1 stated how she could feel she was not free to leave he stated when he understood she was done he no longer had sex with her however male #2 “coaxed” her into having sex with him.

    What is wrong with this picture? This case was turned down? Why? It’s quite clear the girl was assualted. Dunning said there was no coercion and two of the three people involved decribed use of intimidation to obtain compliance.

    Read the report if anything that was clear was coercion!

    By the way reluctant means, unwilling; disinclined; struggling in opposition

    • lmael

      No evidence and you can easily come up with plenty of scenarios where you can fit the statements into she just was not into certain positions and not the act as a whole… come on. Think it through.

    • RichardGoezinya

      Coaxed is not coerced Einstein.

      And are you suggesting that couldn't have been been doing both of them, and then had second thoughts? One guy said ok, the other coaxed her into finishing.

      And I hope you're aware of the young woman telling people on her floor she was going to get some **** tonight, right?

      This wasn't a naive little freshman – well, the guys were – it was a senior.

    • lmael

      coercion does not = coaxing…

    • MrBaller24

      i would hardly classify a “rape victim” as reluctant, rather more strongly opposed to being raped.

      From both her statement and from one of the guys, it sounded like the orgy turned from consensual to not as much about an hour into it.

      maybe thats why there is no case. Maybe because she was a willing participant most of the way through. I find it hard to believe she was unwilling to go for a few hours, in multiple positions, in all three holes without so much as a mark, bruise, scratch, or blood on ANY of the parties if this was “force or coerced”.

      Truth is, anyone being raped would be screaming to stop or screaming for help, unless of course, she had a gun or knife pulled on her and was threatened with physical harm and violence. Not the case at all with this.

      This shows no signs of a “typical” rape case. By typical, i mean the ones that people are prosecuted and convicted for.

      • http://twitter.com/emilysyrja Emily Syrja

        There's no such thing as “not so much” when it comes to consent. Someone either consents or doesn't. When one party decides he or she is “not so” (read: not) interested, any sexual activity should end.

        • RichardGoezinya

          Em, what do you think about someone who has a record of repeatedly making these accusations against different men? After a while aren't they victims?

          You're not suggesting this is the first time she's made a similar claim are you?

          • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

            yep. this was not the first cry wolf this girl has done.

      • gidgetcommando

        There IS no “typical” rape case, Mr. Expert. Ask any rape crisis counselor, or anyone who deals with humans in trauma situations, for that matter. Humans respond to sudden traumatic incidents with fight, flight OR freeze. It's quite normal for anyone under any kind of attack to find themselves paralyzed with fear. (Plus any woman confronted with two men, and unsure of her safety with them, would certainly consider her odds of survival better if she stayed put until they were “done” and decided to let her go, as they could easily have beaten her or worse for lack of cooperation.)

        As for cases that are prosecuted to conviction, I wouldn't bet the farm on that standard, as rape tends to be one of the least prosecuted crimes in the US. Given how many people still subscribe to myths about rape the way you did here, I'm not surprised.

        • RichardGoezinya

          Is it typical for one woman to repeatedly accuse different men of raping her? Are you suggesting she just has bad luck with all these men she's accused?

        • theskeptic4u

          How about you believing what you read from the michiganmessenger… now that more information has been made available and NOT doctored to get the response the MM has i would hope you have changed your tone against these innocent boys.

      • Be_Be

        Finally, MrBaller24, you are a despicable human being. Your description of what you find it “hard to believe she was unwilling to (do)” is disgusting. I can only imagine what it would be like to be a rape survivor myself and read that. That goes double for the physical evidence you suggest needs to be present in your comment below in order for it to qualify as rape. If you ever have children (I pray you don't), better tell them that if they ever get themselves raped, they better also be good and battered, or you won't believe them.

        I hope those comments get deleted for being inhumanly insensitive.

        I am aware that this post might also be deleted, as it may constitute a personal attack, but from the statements you make, it is clear that further reason is wasted on you.

        I for one, and done responding to you in either thread (which I'm sure you will view as no loss, as I doubt you possess the requisite empathy to even listen to someone you like who disagrees with you on this subject, let alone some anonymous person on the Internet). It is clear that you are a lost cause.

        • theskeptic4u

          You just do not know what you are talking about. You support the prosecution of the innocent and I partially blame the michiganmessenger for it but seriously you should take a bit deeper look before you jump headfirst into believing everything you read and wait for all information to become available.

          Take care and I wish you well.

  • lmael

    Is there going to be a “keep the innocent safe” demonstration too… perhaps “down with people with file false claims”… any chance this piece of shit website runs a story about how many false claims are reported each year? or how the innocently accused are drug through the mud?

  • bbconner64

    WRONG you idot not a senior! You don't even know what you're talking about. Which just throws all of your credibility out the door. Keith is that you?

    • RichardGoezinya

      Not wrong you moron.

      I'm thinking you and Todd Heywood are just jealous because you two would like to be the ones taking it in the ass.

    • lmael

      Yes she is. She is a transfer student… this is her third college / university being attended…. she very well is a senior.

    • lmael

      May want to be careful throwing the accused name/s out there in your posts too chief.

    • lmael

      Yes, she was… interesting Brayton does not delete your post when you attempt to point out one of the falsely accused yet deletes anything opposing the viewpoint of the “victim”…

    • RichardGoezinya

      Come on, what are you Todd Heywood's butt buddy?

    • lmael

      Yes she IS… watch out for committing libel in your postings as well.

      edit: correcting verb tense

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/KN6XXWMHRHFZ7GZ3OCY3YS6R2Q Guy

    I'm an MSU fan. And even I'm speculative something shameful went down in that dorm room. At the very least, two players took advantage of a girl beyond repproach.

    But the problem is, this Ingham prosectutor is not an MSU slappy. He's the one who turned a one punch fight in to “MSU football players break in to gang warefare, slaughter sorority”

    The prosectutor interviewed the girl multiple times, and offered another interview, even before this broke. And they had a woman interrogate her. They had a face to face sit down with the girl and the suitmate. They did their jobs, they didnt feel they had a winning case.

    I heard good word this columnist was out to make a name for himself, even before this case. WIlling to rock the boat any chance he can. And now this, hmm.

    • RichardGoezinya

      Shameful? You mean like having sex? Just how do you know they took advantage of her?

      Did they make her strip down for nerf games? Did they make her tell people she was getting “C*** tonight”?

      Did they make her moan when suitemates were there? Well, I guess they did do that.

      Stop being a liberal fag.

  • MrBaller24

    why doesnt she understand she is just as responsible for being assaulted as these guys are?

    She went to THEIR room, while intoxicated, by herself, at night, took her clothes off and didnt leave (all voluntarily).

    Dunnings is smart and feels strongly enough there is no chance for her to win that he wont even take the case, and neither will any female lawyers in his office.

    Why risk his reputation for a guaranteed L?

    Also, why ruin these 2 young men's reputation for what they assumed started out as casual sex?

    The decisions she made that night were just as bad (to put herself in that situation) and ill-informed as were theirs.

    -No signs of force, bruising, resistance, attempts to flee or call for help, no bleeding or tearing, or discomfort. Only emotional distress, which is the usual result of poor decisions and regret.

    -All signs point to consensual sex for most of the ordeal, from both testimonies.

    -she made assumptions she wasnt “allowed” to leave, based on these guys' size, and claims she never asked to leave. They made ASSUMPTIONS that she was there to have sex since she was alone in their room late at night, drinking and stripping and not rejecting their advances until well into coitus.

    – she may have a case, but it wont produce convictions. Thats why Dunnings wont prosecute. Its not like hes new to this stuff. Hes a pro. He knows giving this girl a day in court to seek revenge for her own bad decisions is not worth destroying 2 other peoples lives. no good can come from this if a future case is overturned, based on lack of evidence, which is exactly the issue

    • Be_Be

      why doesnt she understand she is just as responsible for being assaulted as these guys are?

      Probably because she subscribes to the outrageous notion that people are 100% responsible for their actions. In fact, she probably believes that, despite her having consumed alcohol (we don't know how much), and entered their room by herself and night, and removed an article of clothing (the article we were commenting on previously only mentioned her taking off her outer shirt, and that she had a tank top underneath- nothing else), those two men she was with had FULL CONTROL over what they did with their bodies.

      Foolish woman, right? We all know that men can't be expect to control themselves when in the presence of a woman they might be able to rape and get away with.

      • theskeptic4u

        You are ill-informed and should go read the truth that is now available and stop posting regarding the lies the false accuser and the michiganmessenger has been spreading.

  • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

    These these students are idiots.

  • MrBaller24

    if your not an activist for something nowadays while in college, you're not making a difference…. apparently.

    The people they quoted in here proved my point.

    Battiste says “Some of them can’t give a very good description of the person who did it, because it was some one they didn’t know,” she says. “Sometimes — a lot of times — the victim knows the attacker too well. They are a family member or some one they have had a relationship with.”

    Thats my point exactly, most rape crimes fit this MO of either being unrecognizable or so closely related that nothing happens. THIS case is neither, she knew who they were and they were aware of that fact, regardless of them not knowing her at all. The “scene of the crime” was their own dorm room, for crying out loud.

    This was hardly premeditated or deliberate, but the result of all 3 parties reactions to the drinking, stripping, flirting and mutual arousing. This entire case is based on assumptions, not evidence. It is not punishable, therefore a trial is not necessary.

    and if you are one of the people who are arguing that one of the suspects corroborated her report and regard his statement as truth, you better damn well regard the rest of his statement as truth when he says the whole ordeal all started out as mutual.

  • RichardGoezinya

    Can anyone confirm if the rumor is true? Does Matt Staples see Todd Heywood?

  • RichardGoezinya

    And for anyone that doesn't know Liz Battiste. She's got a nice big rack.

  • SteveW1776

    This is just the first protest and there are many more to come. A good life lesson is never rattle certain groups like MADD or ANYTHING having to do with women. The victim and the DA will eventually reach an agreement whereby the suspects will plead to a lesser offense. The suspect that cooperated could rightfully get a better plea. As the saying goes……innocent until proven guilty (or plead down). A plea bargain is inevitable because one suspect has already shown a willingness to confirm the truth. It’s a prosecutor’s dream.

    • MrBaller24

      and what is the truth, according to him? She became less willing throughout the orgy, indicating she was initially a full participant. Hardly rape. Gray area of sexual misconduct at most.

      • SteveW1776

        Its a gray area maybe but not when there is a cooperating witness. IMO the cooperating suspect who stopped after hearing the word “NO” is not going to suffer in the shadows though life or at least the next 4 years because he doesn't tell the simple truth about the actions of his azzhole roommate. After the truth comes out the result is a plea agreement and its resolved. Remember the suspects knew each other for maybe four weeks? Nobody in their right mind is going to make a life altering decision and coverup for some azzhole roommate when the person has known that azzhole for four weeks. Please.

        • theskeptic4u

          The truth IS out and has been for a few hours now. Additional information from a REAL and RELIABLE news outlet has posted it.

          Go read up and prepare your apology.

    • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

      No charges were filed asshole.

  • SoIsaid

    If it were a prosecutor's dream, it would already have been charged.

    “Seeing [redacted]'s shorts, [redacted] stated she yelled at [redacted] and said “So you can be done whenever you want but don't even ask when I'm done?” is the kind of quote (in a police report, no less) that defense attorney's salivate over. It's not really a surprise that this wasn't prosecuted. The alleged corraborating statement would likely be inadmissable as hearsay, unless the player agreed to testify against the other player in court. Possible, but does seem unlikely at this point.

    • SteveW1776

      I'm sorry I forgot to mention another group not to piss off. The Sexual Assault Crisis Intervention student group. A plea deal is coming down the road, a witness is ready to cooperate, and remember that in a plea agreement its common that people agree to testify against other people. That's why its referred to as an “agreement”. See the Dion Sims plea agreement for an example. Luck thing for the MSU guys is they have lots of experience lately in such matters.

      • lmael

        why would they plea when there is zero evidence of a crime being committed?

  • p_e_s

    Wonderful! It's sad, but it's true: it's progress this wasn't swept under the rug.

    • lmael

      lol, okay… forget the fact that no crime was committed.

      • p_e_s

        correction: no arrests were made, and therein lies the problem. hell, maybe under local+state+federal laws those dudes are guilty, but it should be investigated. jesus christ people, one of the two guys corroborated the victim's story…. and somehow the case hasn't seen a courtroom yet.

        and holy fucking christ, are people actually arguing that this wasn't rape because it started out as consensual? so if i start fucking a guy, and halfway through he starts hitting me cuz it gets him off & starts sticking it in my ass, i'm not allowed to scream 'no' and call it rape? i don't want to believe people are this idiotic, i really, really, really don't….

    • theskeptic4u

      Not sure how anyone will EVER take your website seriously after this fiasco -

      As Prosecutor, I have prosecuted numerous prominent persons – including police officers, attorneys and athletes. In each instance, I believe that our office has handled the case regardless of status, and shown neither favor nor prejudice to any person.

      I declined to prosecute a recent incident that occurred on the MSU campus. I would like to explain the reasoning behind this decision.

      The Assistant Prosecutor (Debra Bouck) who initially screened this case met with the woman who reported the incident. At this point, the case was still under review. Ms. Bouck explained the legal process. As is the standard practice of this office, Ms. Bouck also questioned the Complainant regarding specific details of the incident, which were not covered in the police interview. This was done so that the young woman would understand the types of questions that she would be called to answer should the matter go to court, and also because we need to know the answers to those questions in evaluating the case.

      Following this interview, Ms. Bouck indicated to the young woman that she still needed for the police to speak with a potential witness before any final decision was made. Following that further investigation, Ms. Bouck called her to indicate that no charges would be filed. Ms. Bouck also indicated the rationale for her decision and that the young woman could come in to meet with her to discuss this matter. Ms. Bouck then reviewed the case with Chief Assistant Prosecutor Lisa McCormick, who agreed with the decision.

      There have been numerous reports that indicate that one of the two men “corroborated” the story told by the woman. However, the prosecutors who reviewed this case examined not only the police report, but also the actual interview of one of the men. I have attached transcripts of the police interview with one of the accused men. You can see from the transcript of the interview with the man that he did not, in fact, corroborate the facts necessary to substantiate a criminal sexual assault charge.

      Based on our review of all of the materials, including the police report, actual interviews, and the specific details that were elicited directly from the Complainant, our office reached the conclusion that no crime had been committed. We therefore made the decision to decline to bring charges against the two young men.

      http://spartannation.com/?p=14330

      • snobographer

        There have been numerous reports that indicate that one of the two men “corroborated” the story told by the woman. However, the prosecutors who reviewed this case examined not only the police report, but also the actual interview of one of the men.

        And he said he and the other guy performed sexual acts on the woman against her will. There's a four-letter word for that. It rhymes with “grape.”

        • theskeptic4u

          You can see from the transcript of the interview with the man that he did not , in fact, corroborate the facts necessary to substantiate a criminal sexual assault charge.

          Perhaps you never learned the meaning of word NOT.

          You are a victim of some terrible reporting. Go file your police report.

        • theskeptic4u

          The additional release from the real victim, the innocent man, is out there now too if you care to get the real story.

        • theskeptic4u

          Here you go… perhaps you get your information from a credible source.

          http://statenews.com/index.php/article/2010/10/prosecutor_no_crime_was_committed_in_alleged_sexual_assault

          • bbconner64

            If you’re going to release statements from the trascripts please release all of them, A few lines here and there don’t back anything up. What was said in between? So you can pick and choose what statements you will release on your behalf? If in fact the guy did not corroborate the victims story then you need to investagate the police officer for fabricating a police report, right?

  • Mich_Mess

    How many people were at the “protest”? It looks like only the 4 “activists” that have multiple posts on this blog.

    • http://twitter.com/emilysyrja Emily Syrja

      We drew a significant and enthusiastic crowd. The picture is not of the protest; it's of poster-making the night before the protest. Read the article, and note that the headline indicates the article is about our PLAN to protest. At the time this was written, our protest had not yet occurred.

      • theskeptic4u

        Perhaps you should inform yourself before you want to prosecute two innocent freshman.

        http://spartannation.com/?p=14330

      • Mich_Mess

        Your plan to protest and protest are not newsworthy. As much as you want to be, you and your friends are not “significant”. Enthusiastic and self-righteous? Sure, I'll give you that much. You people make me sick. You jump at any chance to get in front of a camera and drink your haterade against any one or anything outside of your subculture. You, like me and everyone other than those directly involved, know very little about the case. You wouldn't be having your little rally if the accused weren't athletes and you couldn't get your name and picture in a fake news website.

      • RichardGoezinya

        This is Emily's version of raping men. She's obviously a radical feminist – not real cute, which may explain why, and doesn't care about the facts.

        Men won't stick it to her, so she's going to stick it to them.

        • Be_Be

          Oh yeah, feminists are working for full equality for women because we're ugly and can't get men. ::eye roll::

          Like we've never heard that one before!

          Try again when you're capable of reason, or at the very least original insults.

      • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

        I don't like you supporting a liar. It makes me feel bad for true victims.

  • lmael

    Actual NEWS from the prosecutor and reason behind the situation.

    http://spartannation.com/?p=14330

  • notlmael

    Actual NEWS from the prosecutor and reason behind the situation.

    http://spartannation.com/?p=14330

  • a_dubs

    I'll do the Messenger's reporting for them.

    Statement from Ingham County Prosecutor Stuart Dunnings III

    As Prosecutor, I have prosecuted numerous prominent persons – including police officers, attorneys and athletes. In each instance, I believe that our office has handled the case regardless of status, and shown neither favor nor prejudice to any person.

    I declined to prosecute a recent incident that occurred on the MSU campus. I would like to explain the reasoning behind this decision.

    The Assistant Prosecutor (Debra Bouck) who initially screened this case met with the woman who reported the incident. At this point, the case was still under review. Ms. Bouck explained the legal process. As is the standard practice of this office, Ms. Bouck also questioned the Complainant regarding specific details of the incident, which were not covered in the police interview. This was done so that the young woman would understand the types of questions that she would be called to answer should the matter go to court, and also because we need to know the answers to those questions in evaluating the case.

    Following this interview, Ms. Bouck indicated to the young woman that she still needed for the police to speak with a potential witness before any final decision was made. Following that further investigation, Ms. Bouck called her to indicate that no charges would be filed. Ms. Bouck also indicated the rationale for her decision and that the young woman could come in to meet with her to discuss this matter. Ms. Bouck then reviewed the case with Chief Assistant Prosecutor Lisa McCormick, who agreed with the decision.

    There have been numerous reports that indicate that one of the two men “corroborated” the story told by the woman. However, the prosecutors who reviewed this case examined not only the police report, but also the actual interview of one of the men. I have attached transcripts of the police interview with one of the accused men. You can see from the transcript of the interview with the man that he did not, in fact, corroborate the facts necessary to substantiate a criminal sexual assault charge.

    Based on our review of all of the materials, including the police report, actual interviews, and the specific details that were elicited directly from the Complainant, our office reached the conclusion that no crime had been committed. We therefore made the decision to decline to bring charges against the two young men.

    • theskeptic4u

      careful, they are going to delete your post because it defies what they are trying to promote…

      not sure how anyone would EVER take this “news” outlet seriously after this fiasco. perhaps this is why no other outlet pursued the non story to begin with.

  • iagainsti

    “You can see from the transcript of the interview with the man that he did not, in fact, corroborate the facts necessary to substantiate a criminal sexual assault charge.”

    People keep conveniently ignoring this part.

    • SA_Advocate

      So what your saying is that either neither of the accused corroborated the victims story or the prosecutor is misinformed.

      What I am understanding you say is that neither of the men could have lied about sexually assaulting the victim.

      Because never in the history of the world has a rapist lied about not raping someone. IMPOSSIBLE!! we must take their word for it! If they said they did not rape her, than obviously they did not rape her…so case closed! I mean…IF what your saying is true, then its ridiculous to give any credibility to anyone who says they were raped when the person whom they are accusing says otherwise…right? Awesome…just want to make sure we are all on the same page here!

  • Be_Be

    Matt, Emily, Elizabeth- I saw a few of you in the comments on the other article over the past couple of days standing up against people who want to talk about how if she had been a better behaved young lady she wouldn't have gotten herself raped, who wanted to discuss her body with clinical detachment to be used as evidence against her, who are SO concerned about those poor young men's lives!, and who wanted to put all their faith in the prosecutor's office to determine when a crime has been committed.

    And I just wanted to say thank you. From one progressive to a few others, it's good to see others standing up and fighting the rape culture.

    Even if she decides not to revisit the prosecutor, good has been done just by you speaking out against all that bs.

    PS- I also recognize how brave it is of you to post here, and be quoted in this article, and open yourselves up for all sort of attacks on your intelligence and character. And again, I salute you for your courage for standing up for compassion and equality.

    • theskeptic4u

      The other article with all the false information? that one? Mkay.

      Did you read up on the real story and the facts surrounding it from the credible news sources out there yet??

      • Be_Be

        The other article with all the false information

        False information or not, there was still a lot of heinous victim-blaming in the comments.

        Yes, I have looked around a little at other articles, by the way. I haven't found anything that makes the situation seem any more clear. Just because Dunnings says that the one suspect's account doesn't corroborate her account enough to substantiate a criminal charge doesn't mean a crime didn't happen.

        But whatever, my purpose in these comments sections has never been to try to determine truth, just to oppose victim-blaming and slut-shaming wherever I see it.

        • theskeptic4u

          It DESTROYS the hate mongering that MM has set out to achieve.

          I feel for true victims and their families.

          I equally DESPISE terrible journalism and lies.

        • theskeptic4u

          The only crime that happened was the filing of a false police report.

          There is no victim blaming because there is no victim… other than the falsely accused.

          Do you think this kind of reaction would happen if it were actually true? I would pray not.

        • snobographer

          “there was still a lot of heinous victim-blaming”

          There always is.

          • theskeptic4u

            how is there victim blaming when there is no victim?

    • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

      They are like those crazy people who protest when a soldier get's killed and stuff like that.

      Also, she is not victim, she is a false accuser.

      • theskeptic4u

        unreal they still seek to prosecute two innocent people.

        i can understand a sexual assault awareness movement but to have it come off a non-incident is crazy.

        • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

          yep. A non incident. It makes me feel for true victims that these morons protest a faux report.

          • theskeptic4u

            Agreed.

          • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

            yep.

      • lr2010

        you people are so ignorant it disgusts me. maybe you should do some research on sexual assault and the traumas that occur with it before you say such naive comments

  • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

    here are the twitter accounts.

    @elizbattiste @emilysyrja

    • Be_Be

      This is completely inappropriate. Grow up.

  • Mich_Mess

    Four jobless, uninformed, subculture conformists in their early 20s spent all night making posters for a full month's worth of protests. Elizabeth contributed lots of glitter, Matt brought a new box of markers, and Emily handled the glue. “This is going to be the best month ever!” exclaimed Elizabeth. The three spent all night grinding axes. Todd Heygood took 156 pictures.

  • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

    Brilliant. That's the truth.

  • Ghede

    Your obsession is weird, Nicholas. Twitter stalking. Really? I don't care how much you suck up to the players, I think we know you're not their kind.

    • theskeptic4u

      Editorial FAIL! Next time make sure you get ALL of the facts! Not just the fact that you want to create YOUR narrative.

      Based on the transcripts from one of the men interviewed, Dunnings said the man did not corroborate the facts necessary to “substantiate a criminal sexual assault charge.”

      In the transcripts, the interviewee tells two detectives the victim never explicitly asked either of the men to stop while having sex.

      “She didn’t say stop,” the man told the detectives. “She was like, ‘I’m done.’”

      According to the transcript, the man also told detectives that when she said she was done, he stopped, but the other man allegedly involved “talked her into” continuing. She could have stopped, he told detectives during the interview.

      “The tone of her voice was like, she was done, but then he talked her into it, and she just let him go,” he said. “So I mean, I don’t really. I mean see, so like, I guess he talked her into it, but she, she could have stopped.”

      He also told the detectives that he told her “I wasn’t going to make you stay there.”’

      “I mean, like, if she wanted to leave, she could have left because, like, I wasn’t going to make her stay there,” he says in the transcript.

      The interviewee told the detectives that when he spoke to the victim after the alleged incident, she said she was “alright.”

      “I was like, ‘Are you alright?’ and she’s like, ‘Yeah. You alright,’” the man told detectives. “She just told me, like, basically, like, ‘You was alright. Don’t worry about nothing.’”

      http://statenews.com/index.php/article/2010/10/prosecutor_no_crime_was_committed_in_alleged_sexual_assault

  • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

    I'm just curious what story will be posted tomorrow. lol. Seems like this site is trying as much as possible to make a name for it's self and it's not working. What BS will come out tomorrow. An exaggeration of how many people were at the protest. lol.

    • theskeptic4u

      Here's a good read for you and those that think college ladies are so innocent and above anything sketchy…

      http://bit.ly/9Ufgpz

  • http://twitter.com/MinneMike Michael Wiley

    It seems blatantly obvious that the female convinced one of the assailants that she didn't want it, while the other continued. What constitutes rape?

    • theskeptic4u

      really because reading everything from REAL news outlets regarding the TRUTH behind the situation that tells the FALSE information that this site is spreading does not make it blatantly obvious… in fact it does the opposite.

      figure it out

      • Stickyy

        Yes because the TRUTH comes from the mumblings of accused rapists. *eyeroll*

        Why do you want it to be so easy for men to get away with rape? Why do you think women are liars?

        • theskeptic4u

          Seriously? The liars are the ones doing the reporting on this site.

          Roll your eyes at the truth. How often do you hear a rape victim say she is *done when the orgy is not over in her eyes… the chick wanted to finish.

          What is wrong with you? Read the rest of the interviews & reports that collaborate (as MM says). What a joke.

  • Mich_Mess

    Hide your kids! Hide your wife! And hide the girl that introduced herself to 2 guys, went back to their room, played strip basketball, had sex for an hour and then decided she was done. Cuz they rapin' everybody up in here!

  • Mich_Mess

    Thanks for deleting my comments about how these activist kids are oppotunistic attention seekers. This website is a total joke.

    • theskeptic4u

      They censor their board, pandering to a select few that can manipulated with their terrible reporting.

      They have been ousted… it is a shame they are still in business after the latest information proving them to be an absolute FRAUD of a news outlet.

  • Mich_Mess

    For you Matt, I now present the false accuser's day in court:

    DA: So you introduced yourself to these men, went to their room, played strip basketball, had sex for an hour, and then stated you were done?

    FA: Yes

    DA: No criminal charges can be filed.

    THE END

  • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

    These guys are a blog disguised as a newspaper. So they are not in the business. That's why they can get away with this crappy reporting.

    • theskeptic4u

      Ridiculous they can do “reporting” like this and cause an uproar with no consequences.

      I am not sure they understand the definition of justice.

    • Stickyy

      What is wrong with you? How do YOU know what happened? All we were saying is that this girl deserves to have her case looked further into. Do you not realize that it's totally possible that the accused could easily alter their statements based on the fact that they don't want to be accused of rape?

      Were you in the room Nicholas Richardson? By your constant denial that ANYTHING happened, you sound like you witnessed that entire night.

      Grow up. The justice system is far from fair, people lie, cases get thrown out that shouldn't.

      I can't imagine why you would take the word of the two men over the woman, other than the fact that you're a misogynist. She has nothing to gain by being a rape victim, however, the two men have much to gain from lying about what they actually did that night.

      • bbconner64

        The two men have everything to gain, oh wait only one of them cooperated with the police. If it was consensual and you were being falsely accused in this assault wouldn't you want to plea your case? And nobody would, epsically an athlete on a nationally renowned program would throw there hands up and say, oh yeah you got me. By the one not talking we draw our own conclusions…

        • theskeptic4u

          Draw conclusions from the information the website is NOT publishing… the whole story is out there and there is CLEARLY no crime – hence to prosecution.

      • theskeptic4u

        How about YOU look at the case further. All the information is out there. Do not JUST read what is on this trash site.

        You are ridiculous. Go read the prosecutors statements and you will see that MichiganMessenger has lied to you in their reporting.

        • toka248

          What 'information?' The prosecutor says the same thing that is said on the first page of the released report, that Michigan Messenger TOLD us about.

          • theskeptic4u

            Apparently you are blind, cannot read, or comprehend and utilize information…

            What you were “TOLD” was a pieced together fictional account when you do have all the information.

            Honestly, I'm not sure why I continue to post to you fools that think this was actually a crime.

            p.s. Your herd is —->

      • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

        Hi Elizabeth. Or is it Emily?

    • toka248

      They do the investigative journalism that major media outlets SHOULD be doing. Did you not even READ the series on Enbridge? And the workers that got hired, and multiple health/code violations, all brought to light BY the Michigan Messenger? Get a life.

      • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

        This Author of this article sent this to every news source. He had an agenda. An agenda that he failed at. I have more Education than this loser.

  • Mich_Mess

    Four imbeciles color posters in a dramatic self-serving attempt to get attention.

    • Stickyy

      You're only right about one thing, it was an attempt to get attention, ANY protest is. Attention needs to be brought to rape and assault cases that get dismissed or don't get a chance to go to court.

      • theskeptic4u

        Why use this event as a springboard?

      • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

        You are a joke Stickyy.

      • Mich_Mess

        Look at the headline and the read the article. Very little is about the “case”. It's all “look at me say what I would do if I were a rapist. Look at me ponder what to write on this poster…” This was an attempt to get attention for the activists, not the “cause”. They don't care about the girl or the guys involved or the fact that the prosecuter knows a lot more about the case than they do. They just want to see their faces and quotes in the “news”. I know their type. They're hysterically anti-everything self-serving grandstanders.

    • keithetheridge

      yep – this website has no more to do with journalism than the National Enquirer. What a total joke. Does anyone who writes for this website have a journalism degree? Look at the caption below this picture – MSU students Emily Syrja, Matt Staples and Elizabeth Battiste prepare signed (not sign) to protest Ingham County Prosecutor Stuart Dunnings III.

      Todd Heywood is the worst of the worst tabloid writers. Couldn't get at job at any other tabloid because he is a total joke that can't distinguish fact from his own opinion.

  • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

    This is the ring leaders recent tweet.


    elizbattiste: If I was a sophomore, I'd be outta here. #justsayin about 3 hours ago via web

    Seriously, Michigan State would be better off if she left.

  • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

    Look at the ringleaders recent tweet. I wish she would transfer.

    @elizbattiste If I was a sophomore, I'd be outta here. #justsayin

  • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

    Yep. Please, Leave MSU.

    • iagainsti

      When did you go to MSU, Nicholas?

  • theskeptic4u

    How did the witch hunt go? Lots of support for the prosecution of the innocent?

  • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

    I heard only 12 people. Yes. 12.

  • http://twitter.com/Slicknickshady Nicholas Richardson

    You should really check out their twitter accounts theskeptic4u. The ring leader tweeted to report me to facebook for inappropriate content. haha. Saying this girl isnt a victim and is a false accuser is inappropriate i guess. haha.

    • theskeptic4u

      How is that nutcase in charge of anything on campus? What the heck.

      Reading through the twitter stuff.

  • http://www.auto-tip.ro/vanzari-auto vanzari auto online

    It is good that they take attitude. that it is the most important.

  • MrBaller24

    NO charges will be pressed.

    from the horses mouth. DA Dunnings

    http://spartannation.com/?p=14330

  • Matt_Staples

    I won't be commenting on any of the last string of posts because I find them highly inappropriate. I am deeply disturbed by the fact that you're now twitter stalking two innocent women who apparently display more character and courage in a day than you have in your lifetime. If you wish to direct your hate at someone try picking on someone your own size and not hiding behind the cowardice of an anonymous screen name. Thank you to those who have voiced opinions with poise and character, to the rest of you I offer a simple recourse. I will debate any of you, in person, in a public forum over the issue of sexual assault and the legal system. Any day, any time. Until then I suggest you cease and desist any hostile, borderline stalking/harassment associated behavior. If you can't be a real man and say it in person, then don't say it all. I've had enough of your cowardice and harassment, step up or shut up. There is nothing more cowardly than attacking two innocent women who are doing their jobs. Should you decide to ignore my warning I would caution you to step very carefully, if this behavior continues to escalate in inappropriate ways proper action will be taken to ensure the safety of all members of the MSU sexual assault program.

    • SoIsaid

      Parhaps – and this is just a suggestion – if the MSU sexual assault program wants to be viewed as a credible program, they should respond to incidents with integrity and class. Gather the facts and if, in fact, a sexual assault did occur, make an issue of it. All signs seem to indicate that this was not the case with this particular incident, however. When you, or representatives of your organization, launch a campaign against innocent individuals under the guise of “getting the message out,” all you do is harm your own credibility. That is, attention whoring is attention whoring, no matter the cause.

    • Mich_Mess

      I'd say all of this to you in person: Matt, I really think your heart is in the right place. Volunteering at the sexual assault program is a noble thing to do. Whomever is making fun of your friends' twitter comments should stop. However, you and your crew did a huge disservice to rape victims everywhere when you used a police report and Heywood's poor “journalism” to bring attention to yourselves first, Heywood second, and rape victims last. It is not your job, nor the women's job to use this event for self promotion (but Heywood obviously made it his job). Also, your threats are empty and meaningless. Your tough guy rhetoric shows that you're compelled to help your friends play the victim.

      • SA_Advocate

        I would LOVE it if those who are making comments in honor of rape victims who are being “disservice” by those who are questioning the decision of a prosecutor to stop pretending they can read the minds of all rape victims. Fact is, what this group is doing, protesting and speaking up in honor of individuals who VERY rarely see their day in court for one reason or another is incredibly courageous and genuine.
        Since none of you can confirm that they were, in fact, in the room when whatever happened happened, and since none of you were there when statements were made to the police and the prosecutor, I fail to understand how you have anymore insight into the situation than those who are asking for a further review of the case/facts.

        The fact is that the majority of sexual assault cases do not see charges filed or cases prosecuted and that in no way means that a crime was not committed or that the abuse did not occur.

        Lack of physical evidence is not a rare thing to happen in a sexual assault and is often the reason no charges are filed. it does not mean that nothing happened, just that there is not enough evidence for a clear cut prosecution.

        • theskeptic4u

          let the horse die… the non story has been beat to death.

        • Mich_Mess

          Well, obviously, presuming people are guilty before being proven innocent is a disservice to your cause. Getting in bed with bad journalists doesn't help either. You are so dumb. You are really dumb, for real.

  • SteveW1776

    There is a cloud over MSU and its leadership when MSU athletes can act like jackals and not be kicked off their team. It’s apparent the local DA’s decision to issue or not issue criminal charges is the sole determining factor for code of conduct violations. Sadly the unwritten minimum standard of personal conduct acceptable to the president, board of trustees and the AD is evidently lower than the conduct memorialized on the web in that 15-page police report. How much lower is an open and embarrassing question for MSU.

  • http://deyofthephoenix.com/blog Melissa Dey Hasbrook

    MM and Todd Heywood:

    Many thanks for keeping news real. As a survivor, I am appalled though not surprised at this behavior by authorities. Hopefully with news that keeps them on their toes, they will receive pressure to do their jobs.

    And so what's the latest on this story? I looked forward to hear more about what's going on since the protest. Please keep the story alive.

    • SoIsaid

      The latest? Okay, lessee…

      Dunnings releases transcripts that directly contradict Michigan Messenger's claims that the alleged victim's statement was corroborated by one of the accused. Michigan Messenger, after removing Todd from covering the story, writes a wishy-washy blurb about how maybe the transcript doesn't say what the police report says it does, so they'll need to have experts analzye it. They then indicated they'll try to transition their ill-advised and poorly-researched article into a larger piece on sex assualt in general – which, most people agree, is a worthwhile story in and of itself but, most reasonable people also agree, could and should have been brought without the need to resort to it to cover shoddy “journalism”.

      Oh, and Dunnings has further clarified his statements to indicate that, in his professional opinion based on all the evidence he has (and not just the police report, *as he pointed out during the run-up to the initial story that MM is quickly backing off of*, no crime was committed.

    • theskeptic4u

      lol, seriously?

      here's the latest – FIND A REAL NEWS SOURCE.