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By Todd A. Heywood | 11.15.11

Two county registers of deeds filed a class action lawsuit Monday on behalf of Michigan’s 83 counties alleging that the Mortgage Electronic Registration Services owes millions of dollars in property title transfer taxes.

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By Eartha Jane Melzer | 11.14.11

Despite evidence of the impact of mercury on children and public health, Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette last month joined with 24 other state attorneys general in filing a lawsuit to scuttle new EPA regulations that would reduce mercury emissions from power plants.

White Supremacists Rallying Around Ron Paul’s Presidential Campaign

By Todd A. Heywood | 11.12.07 | 6:16 am

Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul, whose long-shot campaign has been gaining media attention in recent days, apparently has the support of an unusual constituency — the white supremacist movement.

Stormfront.org, a white supremacy web site, as well as others, such as WhiteWorldNews.com, have actively supported Paul’s bid for the presidency, including directing donors to his campaign.  Stormfront has also endorsed Paul for president.

“Once in a great while a presidential candidate is presented to us. A candidate who not only speaks to us, but for us…I am supporting Ron Paul in his run for the presidency,” the Stormfront endorsement says. The endorsement praises Paul’s plans to reduce taxes, close the  borders and eliminate trade deals, such as NAFTA.

“Whatever organization you belong to, remember first and foremost that you are a white nationalist,” the endorsement continues. “Put your differences with one and other aside and work together. Work together to strive to get someone in the Oval Office who agrees with much of what we want for our future. Look at the man. Look at the issues. Look at our future. Vote for Ron Paul 2008.”

The white supremacy movement directs potential donors to the independent ThisNovember5th.com web site, which is a fundraising mechanism for the Paul campaign. The web site netted Paul $4.2 million from some 37,000  people on Nov. 5 — a record amount raised in a single day through the Internet by any Republican candidate.

Continued -The Paul Campaign on Thursday announced it had refunded $3,000 of the millions of dollars it had received Nov. 5. The money was donated on stolen credit cards, in sums of $5 per card. There was no indication, however, that white supremacists were involved in the stolen-card donations.

ThisNovember5th.com was created in memory of Guy Fawkes’ failed Gunpowder Plot in England in 1608. Fawkes planned to blow up Parliament and kill King James I to restore the Catholic Church in Protestant England. Paul supporters used the web site and Guy Fawke’s Day to support “Ron Paul’s Revolution.”

Jesse Benton, communications director for Ron Paul for President 2008, said he was unaware of the existence of Stormfront until just a few days ago, though Stormfront radio endorsed Paul in mid-October.

As for what the campaign will do with the supremacist donations, Benton said white supremacists are wasting their money on Paul, a physician and long-time congressman from Texas. “We are not in the business of trying to track who is giving us money,” Benton said. “If they want to waste their money on us we will take it and use it to promote freedom and individual rights, not their agenda.”

There is no indication that Paul has courted right-wing support. But a wide array of white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups have backed him nonetheless, and there have been rumors about right-wing support in the blogosphere for months.

On Oct. 4 Will Williams, a former leader of the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group, posted on the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Network  that white supremacy supporters should support Paul for president.

“Till then I recommend folks get involved in the Ron Paul ‘revolution’ and work with political activists in your communities who are attracted to his anti-globalist message,” Williams wrote. “Be disciplined. Blend in; find common ground with them and artfully radicalize those who are receptive and avoid those who are not. … Most of you would be surprised at how many good people can be exposed to a, let’s say, ‘pro-majority’ message among the remarkable groundswell of fed-up, mostly  white Ron Paul supporters — many, early on, from the 9/11 truth movement. They are finding their backbones as they are exposed to more and more hidden truths, especially about the hidden hand of Jewry behind every foul venture.”

In addition to his white supremacist activities, Williams is  the organizer of the Upper East Tennessee Volunteers for Ron Paul. Williams also worked on conservative Republican Pat Buchanan’s presidential campaign in 2000.

Besides the endorsement from Stormfront.org, its  founder,  Don Black, donated $500 to the Paul campaign, according to Federal Elections Commission filings. The Lonestartimes.com has the full background on Black’s donation. Stormfront also has a dedicated thread,  “The Ron Paul Revolution.”

The Ron Paul meetup.com, which has more than 42,000 Paul supporters on it, also has several well-known white supremacists declaring their support for Paul. Michael Mazzone, the Chicago leader of the white supremacist Church of the Creator — whose motto is “RAHOWA,” or Racial Holy War — is listed as a supporter, as is neo-Nazi Nationalist Coalition member John Ubele.

On the Vanguard News Network , convicted bomber and neo-Nazi Todd Vanbiber posted his support for Paul, saying  “I think I’m going to get in touch with the local Paul people and see if I can help. I am serious about this shit.”; Vanbiber was convicted and spent 5 years in a Florida prison for planning to bomb over a dozen Orlando locations.

The Vanguard News Network, Stormfront.org, neo-Nazi Nationalist Coalition, the Church of the Creator and the National Alliance have all been listed as or linked to white supremacy and hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The center is the nation’s leading authority on hate groups in the United States and it publishes a hate group map annually. The 2006 hate group map can be found here..

The Houston Chronicle documented Paul as having written some  questionable  materials himself. In his 1992 independent political newsletter, Paul reported on a survey of blacks. He has refused to provide the survey to anyone. His comments include:

  • “Opinion polls show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action.”
  • “Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the ‘criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”
  • “We are constantly told it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.”
  • “We don’t think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That’s true for most people, but black males who have been raised and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.”

Earlier this year Paul addressed a gathering of the Robert A. Taft Club in Arlington, Va. The club is run by Marcus Epstein, executive director of the conservative Team America PAC, or political action committee.  Marcus Epstein, executive director of the conservative Team America PAC, or political action committee,  also writes for the anti-immigration site vdare.com, which the Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled a hate site, and is a regular writer for the white supremacy journal American Renaissance.  The Law Center said it was not clear if Paul knew of Epstein’s supremacist ties.


[CORRECTION: Due to a error in technical layout, authorship of articles for vdare.com was attributed to Ron Paul.  The article has now been corrected to attribute authorship to Marcus Epstein.]

Comments

  • Jeff Fecke

    Be Prepared The Paulites have a tendency to descend on posts that tell the truth about their guy Ron.  Just be ready to do some serious troll-battling over the next few days.

    Great article, BTW.

  • RevMark

    The talking points have been issued to the shills. We are making waves – The talking points have been issued to the shills.
    This week marks a very important milestone in the Ron Paul campaign.

    Starting this week the full on smear campaign has started.

    Fully expect:

    1. Ron Paul is a racist/anti-Semite/anti-Christ/terrorist
    2. Ron Paul’s ideas are radical
    3. Ron Paul’s policies will cause you financial and physical harm.

    We are being branded as radicals, revolutionaries, and a threat to “national security”

    The AIPAC press is pushing their new bites to their shills (Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, et al). The easiest way to identify who is a shill is to watch how quickly the same people who never spoke of Ron Paul (seriously) now paint him as a national security threat and a threat to Israel.

    This entire process is what was used on Pat Buchanan leading up to his victory in NH. After he won in NH it was a constant bombardment of negative ads… paid for by AIPAC/ADL/JDL/etc. Remember the Adolf Hitler cartoons??

    Hopefully this time will be different… We did not have the internet last time…

    • Anonymous

      So Ron Paul DIDN’T write those things about black people?  It’s real easy to put on blinders and say “Oh, everything you read about my hero is a part of a globalist conspiracy against my hero.”  Ron Paul conspiracy theorists need to get a life.  The guy is being called a racist because so much racist crap keeps coming out of his mouth!

    • Anonymous

      Oh c’mon.  Ron Paul IS radical.  His policies WILL hurt people. 

      Although I believe he is a true believer, a lot of racists and xenophobes prefer his political solutions. This article makes that a more finite contention.

    • http://www.facebook.com/saje.williams Saje Williams

      No… you’re just obtuse, myopic, revisionist morons who’d repeal the Enlightenment if you had the chance. You’d hand the country over to big business and walk away with your 30 pieces of silver jingling in your pockets.  Here’s a clue:  The smaller a political entity, the easier it is to corrupt.  Case in point, the railroad town during the Gilded Age.  The railroad owned everything, including the law.  This is the world to which you’d like to return… You want to live that way, move to Somalia. 

    • Anonymous

      I love Ron Paul. He will probably run as a libertarian or independent after the primary and will divide the Tea Party vote. Awesome.

  • cheneygun

    blah blah Every conservative or Republican is accused of being racist or a hater. Find a new drum to beat.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tex-Shelters/1179576752 Tex Shelters

      Ha ha. They weren’t accusing Paul of anything, at least in the post. They were saying racists support Paul. That is a different matter.

      And Stormfront is a racist site as is white world news. Visit it and discover…

      Peace,
      Tex Shelters

  • Jeff Fecke

    Be Prepared The Paulites have a tendency to descend on posts that tell the truth about their guy Ron.  Just be ready to do some serious troll-battling over the next few days.

    Great article, BTW.

  • NH

    ***YAWN*** There is nothing to do battle WITH here.

    If we were to document all the hate groups that Hillary panders to, why there'd be no one left voting for her.

    Take LaRAZA for example: Their stated goal is to kill all the white people and steal the land back. I guess you're fine with that.

    And Obama's black separatist church whose pastor stated publicly that if Obama gets the nomination, they would have to disassociate themselves from him, is apparently not an issue.

    Recently, a self-described vigilante attended a Ron Paul rally and tried to incite certain groups who were in support of Ron Paul into violence. It didn't work. Instigators should be taken to the woodshed.

    Face it, this is America and everyone has the right to vote whether you discriminate against them or not.

    There is not a thing about this article that carries any weight. It's simply a poorly researched smear job.

    Even if you look at the video made by Stormfront, it is totally harmless.

    SPLC is also considered a hate group, did you know that?

    I suspect you posted this to create traffic for your pathetic little blog, but Paul supporters (the lion) won't bother to come here to battle with a mouse.

  • RevMark

    The talking points have been issued to the shills. We are making waves – The talking points have been issued to the shills.

    This week marks a very important milestone in the Ron Paul campaign.

    Starting this week the full on smear campaign has started.

    Fully expect:

    1. Ron Paul is a racist/anti-Semite/anti-Christ/terrorist

    2. Ron Paul's ideas are radical

    3. Ron Paul's policies will cause you financial and physical harm.

    We are being branded as radicals, revolutionaries, and a threat to “national security”

    The AIPAC press is pushing their new bites to their shills (Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, et al). The easiest way to identify who is a shill is to watch how quickly the same people who never spoke of Ron Paul (seriously) now paint him as a national security threat and a threat to Israel.

    This entire process is what was used on Pat Buchanan leading up to his victory in NH. After he won in NH it was a constant bombardment of negative ads… paid for by AIPAC/ADL/JDL/etc. Remember the Adolf Hitler cartoons??

    Hopefully this time will be different… We did not have the internet last time…

  • LoRayne Apo-Joynt

    Thank you for your comment I suspect that the lack of comments in general might have something to do with the registration process and comment policy at this site.

    It seems to discourage a lot of folks who might otherwise post flames and drive-by spam-type comments — although it doesn't appear to discourage ALL of those kinds of comments.

  • LoRayne Apo-Joynt

    Do you have a copy? I'd like to see a copy of the “talking points.”  It would be newsworthy.

  • chetly

    There's no truth in this guilt by association cr** Look, I'm no endorser of Ron Paul.  I've run a couple stories on his Michigan campaign that have opened up festering internal issues – certainly worthier of being Michigan related news than this.

    But this type of — person X is a racist… person X endorses person Y … person Y is therefore a racist — type of argument is based on a logical fallacy.  But it has a neat emotional appeal, and is great smear.  Todd seems good at it though.

    I would like to see a link on that 1992 Houston Chronicle article or original material on the Ron Paul newsletter reference especially given the mis-attribution on the Epstein thing.  Those quotes seriously concern me – but without seeing the original source material or even the Houston Chronicle's written rendition of it, I have a difficult time understanding the context or accepting it as sufficient evidence of racism.

    It also seems that Todd Heywood reads a lot more stormfront and vanguard than I could imagine being able to stomach.

  • LoRayne Apo-Joynt

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  • chetly

    How? If its the asterisks, I'll remember not to use them next time and not to use a word as offensive crud. I'll completely water down my writing style next time – perhaps it was a bit too much flair.

    If its the fact that I accused your writer of using guilt by association tactics, I think readers are entitled to that level of disagreement and to express it in a transparent way in this type of forum.

    You'll note that my comment is chock full of relevant stuff and inquiries of the author, along with modest agreement in concern over the Houston Chronicle quotes, but a well research article on this serious of a charge (ties to racists and racist statements) would provide readers the source material so they could judge the context of those statements for themselves.

    Regardless, most of this article is built upon the fact that a small group of people considered nearly world-over to be nut-bags (sorry, I hope we agree on that characterization) have chosen to endorse someone.  Since proven racists (and I mean in the same sense Todd means it – white supremacy beliefs) have chosen to endorse and even contribute to a major Democratic Presidential campaign, I'm sure that he'll report on that story when I publish it shortly.  I could imply some racist ties there – but the simple fact is the Democrat couldn't control the endorsement either (although they should give the money back).

  • Ed Brayton

    I find this amusing

    This notion that opposition to Ron Paul due to his ties to neo-confederate and Christian reconstructionist groups is only due to people receiving “talking points” from AIPAC (love the “Jews are behind it all” conspiracy mongering). This is a means of dismissing such arguments without ever bothering to engage them and they simply do not apply to me or any of the critics of Paul that I know.

    I'm a classical liberal myself with close ties to libertarians all around the country and there is a big split over Paul. I've been having this argument with my friends for weeks now, including spending two hours on the phone with the head of a major libertarian organization that I strongly support this afternoon. But I personally started wanting very much to support him. I still find many of the things he advocates extremely compelling. When he takes a bold stand against violations of habeas corpus, warrantless wiretapping and the various other violations of the Constitution by the Bush administration, I stand up and cheer for him. Nonetheless, I still can't support his candidacy, and this article hits on some of the reasons why.

    Now, I don't know whether Ron Paul is himself a racist; I don't know him. But I do know that he has ties to a lot of groups that scare me a lot, and it's not just guilt by association. It's not just that groups like the CCC and the League of the South support him, it's that he has gone out of his way to speak to those groups and cultivate their support. It isn't just that he's getting support from Christian reconstructionists like Gary North, he actually put North – as frightening and totalitarian a thinker as exists in this country – on his Congressional staff. I find that quite bothersome. I'll still cheer him on when he takes the right stands on constitutional issues, but I cannot support him. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with AIPAC or anything else, nor have I ever gotten any talking points from anyone. It's a genuine conclusion from someone who wishes he could support Paul's candidacy.

  • chetly

    Again, I find Ed's view balanced Again, Ed, I find your view here at least balanced.  And there is no question the AIPAC commenter misses the point.

    But, in seriousness, can you support the way Mr. Heywood wrote THIS PIECE in MM?  I mean, the article goes so far as to point out that $3000 of $5 million was fraudulently donated on stolen credit cards, which the Paul campaign caught and reimbursed, and then the article says there was no known connection between white supremacists and the fraudulent donations.  Why is that even in there?  Why bother with all the bad associational arguments when more depth could have been put into the story about Ron Paul's own written material, which Heywood produces as some evidence of concern at the end of the lengthy article about otherwise nothing. But with those writings, which seem at glance to be an important investigative angle (from past news accounts, which could and rightfully should be revived), we don't have the full context.  Frankly, charges as serious as racism deserve the original links (or copies) at least to the newspaper article, and preferably to the original source in this case.  Track down the reporter, if necessary, and ask about.

    And you produce some anecdotal evidence that also raises that concern level.

    And by the way, my interest in this is purely as another person covering Ron Paul.  I'll break stories about his campaign just as quickly as you guys, as I have at http://www.OaklandPolitics.com & http://www.OutsideLansing.com .

  • cheneygun

    blah blah Every conservative or Republican is accused of being racist or a hater. Find a new drum to beat.

  • LoRayne Apo-Joynt

    *Every* conservative or Republican is accused…? I don't believe that's happened at this site.

    Cite examples, please.

    This particular article addresses the endorsement by and donations from white supremacists to a single Republican candidate, who has not to this date repudiated or distanced himself from the actions and ideologies of white supremacists.  That's a very long way from accusing *every* conservative or Republican of being racist or a hater.

  • chetly

    And the article on Hillary's money from racists? Hillary's received money from a white supremacist.  Do you even know about that story? If I send you the material, will you publish it front page?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tex-Shelters/1179576752 Tex Shelters

    This is why I can never fully get behind a Paul presidency; however, he is completely correct on the wars and our need to leave Iraq and Afghanistan NOW.

    Peace,
    Tex Shelters

    • http://www.facebook.com/AshSmith1985 Ash Smith

      Tex, Ron Paul is not racist. He’s never endorsed racism or racist policies. He’s never made a disparaging remark about people of other races (those quotes in the article above were by a rogue Paul supporte, not by Paul). Don’t let a nutbag like the author of this story dissuade you. Don’t let members of the media tell you who you should vote for, or who you should support. Do your own research and read Paul’s own words. I’m a Paul supporter, and I try to expose any of those people I come across who promote things like Racism. Everyone I know feels the same way. You have nuts in every group, but we try to police ourselves and keep out the bad apples. We’d love to have other anti-war people join us to keep out the crazies. 

  • Anonymous

    Right wing, racist vitriol caused the shooting of Rep.Gabby Giffords. All this Tea Party racism on their signs, has divided America. Fuck the Republicants, their Tea Party, & the Libertarians !!! And I’m part Huron Native American, so this is NOT your country, right wing Fascists !!!!!!   (:

    • http://www.facebook.com/AshSmith1985 Ash Smith

      Bob, your “part Huron Native American” doesn’t entitled you to anything. And I think you fail to realize that plenty of Democrats are racist as well. It’s not a Republican/Democrat thing. You don’t understand Libertarianism in the least, or you’d know that libertarians actually have been defenders of Native Americans, and have decried the cruelty committed against them by the US government. And you also don’t know what fascism is, or you wouldn’t use that to describe libertarians, who by nature are anti-government. Fascism is a derivative of Socialism, with a mixture of corporatism. Do yourself a favor and actually look at the definitions of terms before you use them. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/AshSmith1985 Ash Smith

    The “quotes” from Ron Paul’s newsletter that you attribute to Ron Paul, were not his words. If you did a bit more research, you’d know that. That was addressed handily in the last campaign. Those quotes were not from Ron Paul, they were from a rogue supporter that signed Ron’s name. You can even look up that “controversy” on wikipedia. It shows that you haven’t done your research. Ron Paul is not racist at all, and if you knew anything about his philosophy you’d know that he believes in the principle of “non-aggression”. He doesn’t advocate the use of violence against anyone. You’re pulling at straws to find something that’ll stick. It’s kind sad really. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/karn58 Karen Roberts

    Why am I not surprised. Well because we could see the writing on the wall. Why else would they give a black president so much trouble. Once upon a time when this started up I was ashamed of my own white race. Feeling quite humiliated for being the race identified with these haters I searched ancestry.com for my ancestry, Hoping to find something good to cling too. Finally I found it, I am mulatto and I am proud of it. What a relief. Anyone who is a racist pig should be ashamed of themselves. I hope GOD blesses you in a BIG way. Do you know blessings are not always good. Especially when you are sooo wrong. Do you know what really defined a Nazi? Their supreme view that only white Germans, were the supreme race. Well you bigots, are just like them, only you include all whites, as long as they’re pure. Idiots! Nazi is what you are and a Nazi is what you will stay, you bigots! Go ahead and call the rest of us socialist, but you, your the real Communist in this nation. The Nazi Communist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/karn58 Karen Roberts

    P.S. and with a manifesto too. Which is make sure this black president fails. You dang idiots ought to be ashamed of yourself to the roots of your being.

  • NH

    ***YAWN*** There is nothing to do battle WITH here.

    If we were to document all the hate groups that Hillary panders to, why there’d be no one left voting for her.

    Take LaRAZA for example: Their stated goal is to kill all the white people and steal the land back. I guess you’re fine with that.

    And Obama’s black separatist church whose pastor stated publicly that if Obama gets the nomination, they would have to disassociate themselves from him, is apparently not an issue.

    Recently, a self-described vigilante attended a Ron Paul rally and tried to incite certain groups who were in support of Ron Paul into violence. It didn’t work. Instigators should be taken to the woodshed.

    Face it, this is America and everyone has the right to vote whether you discriminate against them or not.

    There is not a thing about this article that carries any weight. It’s simply a poorly researched smear job.

    Even if you look at the video made by Stormfront, it is totally harmless.

    SPLC is also considered a hate group, did you know that?
    I suspect you posted this to create traffic for your pathetic little blog, but Paul supporters (the lion) won’t bother to come here to battle with a mouse.

  • chetly

    There’s no truth in this guilt by association cr** Look, I’m no endorser of Ron Paul.  I’ve run a couple stories on his Michigan campaign that have opened up festering internal issues – certainly worthier of being Michigan related news than this.

    But this type of — person X is a racist… person X endorses person Y … person Y is therefore a racist — type of argument is based on a logical fallacy.  But it has a neat emotional appeal, and is great smear.  Todd seems good at it though.

    I would like to see a link on that 1992 Houston Chronicle article or original material on the Ron Paul newsletter reference especially given the mis-attribution on the Epstein thing.  Those quotes seriously concern me – but without seeing the original source material or even the Houston Chronicle’s written rendition of it, I have a difficult time understanding the context or accepting it as sufficient evidence of racism.

    It also seems that Todd Heywood reads a lot more stormfront and vanguard than I could imagine being able to stomach.

  • LoRayne Apo-Joynt

    Thank you for your comment I suspect that the lack of comments in general might have something to do with the registration process and comment policy at this site.

    It seems to discourage a lot of folks who might otherwise post flames and drive-by spam-type comments — although it doesn’t appear to discourage ALL of those kinds of comments.

  • LoRayne Apo-Joynt

    Do you have a copy? I’d like to see a copy of the “talking points.”  It would be newsworthy.

  • Ed Brayton

    I find this amusing

    This notion that opposition to Ron Paul due to his ties to neo-confederate and Christian reconstructionist groups is only due to people receiving “talking points” from AIPAC (love the “Jews are behind it all” conspiracy mongering). This is a means of dismissing such arguments without ever bothering to engage them and they simply do not apply to me or any of the critics of Paul that I know.

    I’m a classical liberal myself with close ties to libertarians all around the country and there is a big split over Paul. I’ve been having this argument with my friends for weeks now, including spending two hours on the phone with the head of a major libertarian organization that I strongly support this afternoon. But I personally started wanting very much to support him. I still find many of the things he advocates extremely compelling. When he takes a bold stand against violations of habeas corpus, warrantless wiretapping and the various other violations of the Constitution by the Bush administration, I stand up and cheer for him. Nonetheless, I still can’t support his candidacy, and this article hits on some of the reasons why.

    Now, I don’t know whether Ron Paul is himself a racist; I don’t know him. But I do know that he has ties to a lot of groups that scare me a lot, and it’s not just guilt by association. It’s not just that groups like the CCC and the League of the South support him, it’s that he has gone out of his way to speak to those groups and cultivate their support. It isn’t just that he’s getting support from Christian reconstructionists like Gary North, he actually put North – as frightening and totalitarian a thinker as exists in this country – on his Congressional staff. I find that quite bothersome. I’ll still cheer him on when he takes the right stands on constitutional issues, but I cannot support him. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with AIPAC or anything else, nor have I ever gotten any talking points from anyone. It’s a genuine conclusion from someone who wishes he could support Paul’s candidacy.

  • LoRayne Apo-Joynt

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  • chetly

    How? If its the asterisks, I’ll remember not to use them next time and not to use a word as offensive crud. I’ll completely water down my writing style next time – perhaps it was a bit too much flair.

    If its the fact that I accused your writer of using guilt by association tactics, I think readers are entitled to that level of disagreement and to express it in a transparent way in this type of forum.

    You’ll note that my comment is chock full of relevant stuff and inquiries of the author, along with modest agreement in concern over the Houston Chronicle quotes, but a well research article on this serious of a charge (ties to racists and racist statements) would provide readers the source material so they could judge the context of those statements for themselves.

    Regardless, most of this article is built upon the fact that a small group of people considered nearly world-over to be nut-bags (sorry, I hope we agree on that characterization) have chosen to endorse someone.  Since proven racists (and I mean in the same sense Todd means it – white supremacy beliefs) have chosen to endorse and even contribute to a major Democratic Presidential campaign, I’m sure that he’ll report on that story when I publish it shortly.  I could imply some racist ties there – but the simple fact is the Democrat couldn’t control the endorsement either (although they should give the money back).

  • chetly

    Again, I find Ed’s view balanced Again, Ed, I find your view here at least balanced.  And there is no question the AIPAC commenter misses the point.

    But, in seriousness, can you support the way Mr. Heywood wrote THIS PIECE in MM?  I mean, the article goes so far as to point out that $3000 of $5 million was fraudulently donated on stolen credit cards, which the Paul campaign caught and reimbursed, and then the article says there was no known connection between white supremacists and the fraudulent donations.  Why is that even in there?  Why bother with all the bad associational arguments when more depth could have been put into the story about Ron Paul’s own written material, which Heywood produces as some evidence of concern at the end of the lengthy article about otherwise nothing. But with those writings, which seem at glance to be an important investigative angle (from past news accounts, which could and rightfully should be revived), we don’t have the full context.  Frankly, charges as serious as racism deserve the original links (or copies) at least to the newspaper article, and preferably to the original source in this case.  Track down the reporter, if necessary, and ask about.

    And you produce some anecdotal evidence that also raises that concern level.

    And by the way, my interest in this is purely as another person covering Ron Paul.  I’ll break stories about his campaign just as quickly as you guys, as I have at http://www.OaklandPolitics.com & http://www.OutsideLansing.com .

  • LoRayne Apo-Joynt

    *Every* conservative or Republican is accused…? I don’t believe that’s happened at this site.

    Cite examples, please.

    This particular article addresses the endorsement by and donations from white supremacists to a single Republican candidate, who has not to this date repudiated or distanced himself from the actions and ideologies of white supremacists.  That’s a very long way from accusing *every* conservative or Republican of being racist or a hater.

  • chetly

    And the article on Hillary’s money from racists? Hillary’s received money from a white supremacist.  Do you even know about that story? If I send you the material, will you publish it front page?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, yes, let’s see the original Houston Chronicle article, and while we’re at it, I want to see the real Birth Certificate!  lol…

    95% of black people in DC are criminals?  I don’t see how this is racist at all..   (BTW, this is sarcasm..)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IB3BM6O4YE6GDEFWAIKNVNNN4U Rudi

    LaRaza is a hate group? lol. Now you’re really getting desperate.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t think misinformed white supremacists would be brave enough to post here. You’ve proven me wrong.

  • Anonymous

    wow, jeff was right. didn’t take long, did it?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IB3BM6O4YE6GDEFWAIKNVNNN4U Rudi

    I am sure they would. And make sure to send them some articles from the  racist newsletter than she used to run too.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GYWD3EFKUZHGATSQ6XN2QUHJZ4 No

    Yes, it is. It’s a Latin Supremacy group. Do some research before you post.