If undocumented immigrants left to day, this country would be paralyzed, and the government knows that, do you think that they would not have kicked everybody out if they really didnt believe so? come one get real! They only keep this issue alive to always have a scapegoat whenever they screw up and cripple the economy.. I wont waste my time trying to convince you, just get your facts right and then make up you mind. thank you

As an ACLU supporter, I would appreciate the donation but as a Michigan taxpayer I am skeptical that this legislation is anything but political pandering to some rather loathsome traits of humanity. However, bashing the recently arrived among us is as American as apple pie and divorce. Long live the USA! Beat Algeria!

You suggest I argue against restricting immigration. Then heap scorn on this idea. Since the assertion is false, and the data used to flesh out the assertions is off-topic, I will ignore them.

I support a coherent immigration policy, and laws that support these policies. Using laws and procedures in existence at the time, law enforcement could have apprehended the 9/11 hijackers and deported them before they could complete their task. I clearly stated my opposition to creating redundant laws that supporters such as Rep. Steve King (R-IA) say include using a “sixth sense”. I find little comfort in fictional arguments or mind reading.

Your aside is also fictional. I did not mention banks in any way, shape, or form. I did specify one financial instrument that socialized risk, manipulated standing laws, and polluted the financial system. Your contention that I support slavery to corporate greed is a lie at best.

While I appreciate your “Utopian” views, as well as dismiss them for being cute, but only in a 17 yr. old sort of way, this conversation is not about those wishing to better their lives. OF COURSE they do. Doesn't everybody?

In case you missed it, we're broke, as in “No mon, no fun.” Money doesn't grow on trees. Jobs are few and far between. Furthermore, we have immigration laws for a reason. It is to regulate the flow of immigration according to current economic trends. It is also to make sure that we know who is coming here…you know, screening folks and such.

Even though folks such as yourself like to complain about the banks, you seldom seem to ask the obvious questions, like why are we spending $200B on a war for the sake of securing the nation, but haven't even bothered to secure our borders? According to the DHS, 52,000 OTMs (other than Mexicans) were apprehended last year trying to come across into the U.S. These folks were from countries such as Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Yemen, and Iran.

As an aside, I'd like to throw in that I find it repulsive when someone complains about corporate banking greed, and then puts his foot in his mouth to support 21st century slavery for *drum roll, please* “corporate greed.

Listen to yourself, and then as you so eloquently pointed out, try to remember that as a Republic, we demand representative government. We don't do “elitism” very well at all.

The United States is a Republic. As such, the legal system is designed to administer justice, not deliver whatever the winds of popular thought blow under the door. Any law that only reiterates a previous law, or makes previously illegal activity illegal, is redundant, extraneous, and only exists to make its supporters feel good.

An elitist? Me? Of course I am. I am an American. I do not call someone who disagrees with me out of touch, sheltered, or wishing poverty on the masses. This name calling (ad homonym attacks for you elitists) has nothing to do with the merits of the ideas put forth for discussion.

I do prefer well thought-out plans aligned toward a worthy goal – such as the possible (increasing our brain trust to carry us toward a better future), as opposed to the impossible (trying to keep out a group that has not been deterred since 1492).

If I may ask, why have the creators of credit default swaps, who are known to have financially brought this country to its knees, not been brought to justice in Arizona? Why are people looking for a better life for their children vilified? I know illegal immigration is a punishable offense, but this seems…if I may borrow your phrase…elitist.

Out of touch, perhaps. Or simply an elitist, sheltered from the violence, automatic weapons and drugs coming across the border? Or is it because wages haven't been diluted quite enough just yet to make him feel superior to everyone else?

By the way, I agree on increasing talented, educated immigrants. Thing is, they all come here LEGALLY.

I suggest Michigan 'grease the skids' for foreign engineers and skilled workers that wish to work in regional industries. Increasing local talent value (who are proud and grateful) will raise, wages, tax revenues, and wisdom.

1. There's a HUGE difference between 'illegal immigrants' and 'legal immigrants.' Anyone who still tries to blur that distinction is a moron, and basically thinks the rest of us are idiots too.

2. “illegal [sic] immigrants only pay the taxes that the same displaced American worker would pay. Nothing more, nothing less. There is absolutely no benefit to the economy whatsoever.