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Controversial former militia leader responds to Hutaree arrests

By Ed Brayton | 03.29.10 | 12:29 pm

Mike Vanderboegh, a 57 year old Alabama man raised in Michigan and described by the Washington Post as a “former militiaman,” has been at the center of controversy lately after calling on Americans to smash out the windows of Democratic offices with bricks in retaliation for the passage of the health care reform bill — a call answered by many around the country.

On his blog last night, Vanderboegh responded to the FBI raids on the Christian Hutaree militia in southeast Michigan in a series of posts. In one post, he said that militia leaders had sent out “muster alerts” to “units all over the country, and people are getting ready and awaiting further word.”

Vanderboegh, who has close connections with the militia movement in Michigan and all over the country, was critical of the Hutaree, saying that they “have indicated in the past that, much like John Brown, they WANTED to start a civil war, which is why no responsible militia group in Michigan was willing to ally with them.”

But he also warned the government that this action could spark a full-scale civil war with the entire militia movement:

“But here’s the deal, Feds. If you kill anyone or burn somebody’s house or church down with them inside, you will have started a civil war, no matter how despicable the Hutaree are, or how crazy, or how provocative. If that happens, there will be NOTHING responsible leaders of the constitutional militia movement will be able to do from our side to stop it. You will have crossed the Rubicon.”

In a later post, after he had received more information, he said, “The Hutaree, who by their previous nuttery over the past two years set themselves up as low-hanging fruits — wannabe John Browns with a persecution complex — made a perfect target.” He reiterated that the feds were “lucky” that no shots were fired because that would have sparked a full-scale war with other militias.

Vanderboegh also pointed out, as have several media outlets, that other militia groups in the area refused to help the Hutaree after calls were sent out to mobilize because, even in the militia movement, this particular group is viewed as radical and reckless. But he also criticized other Michigan militia groups for cooperating with the FBI in the raid. To what extent they actually cooperated is not clear.

In that later post, he also said that the initial call to other militias quickly fizzled as the facts became clear: “Some units mobilized at the first reports, but gradually stood down as the facts became clear,” he wrote.

In conclusion, Vanderboegh said that while a full scale war was averted this time, such a conflagration is inevitable — and gloated at the presumed outcome:

This could have been one hell of a lot worse than it was. Today we avoided the beginning of a civil war. I do not know how long we will be able to do that in the future, given Fed cowboy clumsiness, but the fact that we were the ones who did not take counsel of our fears — and who “put away childish things” and did not overreact — bodes well at least for ensuring that we don’t lose the moral high ground when the Feds, finally, in frustration at our refusal to submit to their diktats, open fire on us.

After that, it will be an open source insurgency using Fourth Generation Warfare.

And we WILL win.

It is clear from these comments that while the Hutaree may not have good relations with other militias and may be viewed askance by them, they are only one small part of a radical, paranoid, anti-government subculture in this country that is actively preparing, even hoping, for a civil war that they believe is inevitable.

Michigan, which in the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing became known as a hotbed of the militia movement, could well be ground zero in such a battle. All the more reason, then, for the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security to keep a close eye on such organizations.

Comments

  • ccousins

    Vanderboegh has plenty of delusions of his own if he believes the “militias” could start a civil war of any real import: kill a lot of people, yes–but they'd be crushed inside of 48 hours even if every militia were to mobilize. With, of course, a few renegade groups hiding out in caves and such for a while.

    Fact of the matter is most folks want nothing to do with sedition, treason, and murder. Simple fact. And it would be the people, in the end, that would put a quick end to any such fantasy as Vanderboegh appears to believe in as “real world.”

    There's no shortage of dangerous idiots in our world. They can kill a lot of people. But there's no way they will take down the USA. And there's no way , if one bullet is fired or one ED set off against law enforcement or US military personnel, that hiding behind women, children or church will save them because murderous lunatics can't be allowed to carry on their idiocies if they kill people.

    • NHMI

      Ya, right…the Michigan Militia had 70,000+ memebers in the 80's, I can't imagine membership has dropped especially since media reports say it is growing in every state at record stats….and the military has even said Obamma isn't their commander and chief, not to mention many of them are American kids, they wont turn on Americans and fire. Some will, but more than half will change teams.

      There is a more peaceful approach in the works that has military backing as well but if it doesn't work civil war is immenant…and we WILL WIN! The police forces and the whole military aren't big enough to secure the country, it is the 400,000 foreign troops stationed here now waiting to see what we do that we need to worry about…

      • ccousins

        Delusions can't negate the simple fact that 700 or 70,000 yahoos with
        semi-autos would be simply no match for any modern government military, let
        alone the US. The best they can hope for would be to run to the hills, go
        into hiding, and make occasional nuisance attacks. Like Russia's problems
        with their southern states, this can lead toward a split in the Republic.
        Or not. It depends. But take out the USA? Nah. Not even close. Nor can
        delusions negate the simple fact that most folks have no desire for chaos
        and will fight to protect the status quo. When you strip away whatever
        safety net many people feel they have, don't expect them to thank you. Your
        numbers, by the way, have been inflated beyond all reason. There aren't 70k
        active, training militia persons in the USA, let alone Michigan. And most
        of those militias claim are paper members. I live in a part of the country
        where camps of armed individuals regularly train. But, all together, in ne
        wash and north Idaho, there's no more than a couple hundred hardcore
        regulars. The hangers-on would vanish like so much smoke in a light breeze
        the first time the feds show up.

        Now I'm sure you believe what you're saying. I can't help that. The world
        is littered with the bodies of people who believed in nonsense and their
        deaths did exactly nothing to promote any worthwhile cause.

        Personally, I agree with Hamilton/Madison in #51 & #55 in regards the
        dangers of a democracy. Which is why we don't have one. Thank God. Too
        many yahoos. The status quo may need some improvement, but armed anarchy
        would improve the life of not a single aspect of our society for any
        meaningful amount of time. The way to change the status quo is certainly by
        being vocal, active, pushing for realistic representation, and being well
        armed with knowledge and experience. I'll save armed resistance for real
        enemies because to take up arms against the USA is to take up arms against
        the bulwark of what freedoms I have. Besides, do you really believe that
        there's some majority of citizens interested in your little tiff with the
        US?

        Civil war, as a “good” thing, by any stretch of logic only betrays a need to
        get a grip on reality. In essence: get a life. Preferably one that doesn't
        reinforce a pinhole view of the world. Get wider in your reading than the
        local militia newsletter. Do some of your own thinking. What, exactly,
        would a “civil war” produce, in your view, that would be of benefit to
        anyone? The last one we had killed off quite a percentage of the
        participants and the aftermath created impossible conditions for huge
        numbers of people.

        • NHMI

          You are probably right, so the RAP is a peaceful solution that more people can feel good about getting involved with gotfr dot org More people are willing to fight with the pen the the sword but if the people only vowed to elect those who uphold the Constitution, problem would be solved…imo

          • ccousins

            I certainly agree that, while there will always be dissent and disagreements
            regarding the direction of ANY choice made in legislature, by the courts, or
            by the executive–our best recourse is reason, knowledge, and diligence of
            purpose. Seems to me there was someone of some minor importance in our
            early republic who noted that while he may not agree with what his opponent
            might have to say–he'd defend to the death his right to say it.

            Constitutionism (for want of a better word) is only one aspect of our
            republic. Sometimes it needs to be changed. And while it's the document
            we, as a nation, should strive and fight to defend and protect–it's the
            underlying reasoning that that has always informed my choices in regards to
            our republic: found mostly in the Federalist Papers. It's there that the
            description of large bodies of people as a “mob” and incapable of
            self-governance pushed the constitution toward a representative republic
            rather than either a kingdom or a democracy. It's difficult for me to
            support the notion that our representatives should be tied to the fickle
            Will of the People as represented by the various media polls, for instance.
            We elect them because they represent a way of thinking that best represents
            our own–but between elections, the representative is supposed to make their
            own choices by their own lights as they sold them to their consituencies.

            Anyway, yes: voters should put a LOT more thought into who they want to
            represent them in Congress and DEMAND better choices. Of course, my idea of
            a better choice will probably not be someone else's. But that's okay. It's
            the process that needs to be preserved.

            Always ready to listen to other ideas, though. You never know when
            something is going suddenly make sense and have to be incorporated into the
            old worldview.

  • sbsmith79

    Here's a definition of bigotry if I've ever seen one.
    Taking an opinion of one individual's (nut-job though he may be) comments about another small group of people (definitely nut-jobs) and broadly applying it to millions of people who have some passing, superficial resemblance to [said nut-jobs].

  • NHMI

    Plus the majority of Militia members are good, everyday folks who are just tired of watching a Govt that doesn't care strip them of their Constitutional rights in the name of some imaginary socialist utopia they think it is possible to create.
    Live Free or Die! Plain and simple!

    • KingCranky

      Right, that's why the militia nutjobs were completely silent about the Patriot Act, warrantless spying on US citizens, torture, indefinite detention and suspension of habeas corpus during the Bush Jr Administration, or, even worse, enthusiastically supported such shredding of our Constitution with an emphatic “way to stick it to those dirty terrorists and liberals”, because the secession loonies and the “I want my country back” militia losers are just so tired of executive branch power grabs.

      • ohjb62

        Hey KC: I think you touched on a good point. I am not a silent man. I write my State Reps, I have written the DEA and the FBI about matters that piss me off. I have written the Presidents office to grip about promises made and not kept. What I have to laugh at is the auto generated replies with no personal follow up and no actions taken. It would not and will not matter what you want; it will be decided for you. We have lost our voice. Our opinion is not relative in Washington anymore. You don't have the money in your pocket to afford that kind of audience. That is why I am becoming increasingly militant in my views. I will fight for my rights when the time comes.

  • ohjb62

    I am not Militia. I am independent of any group, but as long as man has been alive we have struggled and died for our right to live as we want. To me that means free from government interference. Free to defend what I have worked hard to reap from those who wish to take it for doing nothing more than looking for their “entitlement”.
    I hate what has become of this country. I will defend my children's future with every ounce of blood, and every breath I have left to give them. If there are 80 or 90,000+ Militia members then there are a million people like me who are ready for the same thing.
    The collapse of this country is just around the corner. You can not support the dead weight in this country on the back of just a few. Good Luck To All Of US.

  • shimms40

    the way i look at it is yes it's wrong and they should have not done it but even if they tryed to put any plan into actions they would be shut down immeaditly! and they don't hold a stick to the united states

  • shimms40

    the way i look at it is yes it's wrong and they should have not done it but even if they tryed to put any plan into actions they would be shut down immeaditly! and they don't hold a stick to the united states

  • ohjb62

    Hey KC: I think you touched on a good point. I am not a silent man. I write my State Reps, I have written the DEA and the FBI about matters that piss me off. I have written the Presidents office to grip about promises made and not kept. What I have to laugh at is the auto generated replies with no personal follow up and no actions taken. It would not and will not matter what you want; it will be decided for you. We have lost our voice. Our opinion is not relative in Washington anymore. You don't have the money in your pocket to afford that kind of audience. That is why I am becoming increasingly militant in my views. I will fight for my rights when the time comes.

  • markinboston

    SO – is Michigan particularly prone to fear? What's the reason there were 70,000 militia members in the 80's? Seems like A LOT to me.. Was it “boy scouts with guns” or serious right wing loonies? Just wondering

    Look, times are hard, the perps that destroyed our economy seem to be laughing all the way to the bank while most Americans hang on by their fingernails. Expect more drinking, drugging, domestic violence, crime in general in hard times, but are the militias just another symptom of fear, distrust and anxiety in bad economic times? I don't understand.

    Why don't militias go after hedge fund managers and bankers, instead of “the government”? Why not go after people that bribe, excuse me, “make campaign contributions” to politicians? Seems to me they (and lobbyists) are a much bigger threat to democracy as it should be than “the government”…

  • iliketoweld

    keep supporting “gun control” laws and yes, no one will be able to “hold a stick” to the gov't. GOVERNMENT…people. GOVERNMENT…people…get it? not cool. and the founding fathers didnt think so either. thats why they added something along the lines of; every able bodied man has the right to the same weapons/arms as the republic. They werent retarded. maybe some were into boys but they still used their brains when it mattered. when are the security moms in suburbia gonna be happy… I know they dont want little tyler to ever see the “bad” side of the real world, but some of us need to protect our families and property from the peasant criminal to the politically corrupt. and everything in between.
    everyone is all anti news and bla bla when its convienent but as soon as a story about militia members comes out, its “yahoos” this and “gun nuts” that. oh, of course they hate black people and jews…why not? if there was a 1 minute story about one of your lives during the course of your day, i would think you were a loser too. so dont judge these guys/girls. they believe in something and at the end of the day, they're really fighting for the idea that is america.

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    If that happens, there will be NOTHING responsible leaders of the constitutional militia movement will be able to do from our side to stop it. You will have crossed the Rubicon.