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Stupak’s abortion stance threatens health of women and children

By Eartha Jane Melzer | 03.15.10 | 7:54 am

With the impasse between Rep. Bart Stupak and the Democratic leadership in the House getting deeper, it now appears more likely than ever that the northern Michigan legislator could end up preventing the passage of the health care reform bill in Congress in the name of stopping abortion — and, ironically, diminishing the availability of health care for pregnant woman in his district and their babies.

Stupak’s district currently has no facilities that perform abortions — the target of his opposition — but it does have several hospitals that have closed, or are soon to close, their obstetrics departments that provide vital pre- and post-natal care to pregnant women due to the high number of uninsured and Medicaid patients in the district, a problem that the bill he may prevent from passing would help solve.

Stupak, a former state trooper from Menominee, has represented northern Michigan in the U.S. House since 1993. His district, the largest in Michigan, covers a large chunk of rural northern lower Michigan and the entire Upper Peninsula.

stupak district mapStupak says he is an advocate of health care reform.

“I have witnessed the struggles our families and employers face with our health care system,” he says on his website. “In Michigan, from 2000 to 2007, employer sponsored annual health insurance premiums rose from $6,817 to $12,151, an increase of 78.2 percent. Over the same period, the median earnings of Michigan’s workers increased from $25,910 to $27,096, an increase of only 4.6 percent.”

“Health care is not a privilege it is a basic right that should be afforded to all Americans.”

Despite this acknowledgment of the importance of health care reform, Stupak has essentially been holding health care reform hostage to his demand for language preventing all public funding for abortion. He says he speaks for 11 other House Democrats who are pro-life and that they will all refuse to vote for the current bill unless they get their way on abortion.

Since the House version of the bill — which contained an explicit ban on abortion funding via an amendment offered by Stupak — only passed by a three vote margin the first time, there is a very good chance this intransigence could kill the last chance for getting health care reform passed.

Indeed, Stupak himself said late last week that if the House leadership does not gain the votes of his group of anti-choice Democrats, they likely will not have the votes to pass the bill.

This stance is frustrating women’s rights advocates in northern Michigan, who point out that there already is no access to abortion for many women in Stupak’s district.

“Right now abortion is already restricted,” said Julie McKeiver, spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood of Western and Northern Michigan. “[Stupak’s amendment] would take away any reasonable expectation that they would get coverage of services.”

The regional Planned Parenthood organization has been forced by budget cuts to close clinics and reduce hours but maintains clinics that do not perform abortions in Petoskey and Marquette. Women who live in northern lower Michigan or the U.P. often must travel hundreds of miles to downstate abortion providers or cross into Wisconsin or Minnesota for services.

Unfortunately, abortion is not the only medical service not available to women in Stupak’s district without having to travel a long distance. It may be particularly ironic that if Stupak’s abortion concerns end up killing the health care reform bill, pregnant women in his district may lose access to the pre- and post-natal care that is crucial to the health of their babies. Increasing numbers of uninsured residents are putting a huge strain on hospitals and forcing them to close down their obstetrics departments.

According to the most recent data available from the Michigan Department of Community Health, 15.6 percent of Michigan’s non-elderly adults are uninsured, and northern lower Michigan has a higher than average rate of people who are uninsured.

Cheboygan Memorial Hospital closed its urgent care walk-in clinic last month and announced that it will discontinue its obstetric services this month because the high level of uninsured and Medicaid patients has bankrupted the unit. According to the hospital, in fiscal year 2009 CMH posted a $304,000 loss in the OB department.

In a statement the small hospital explained that its main service area includes not only Cheboygan County but also Presque Isle County, Montmorency County, the northern half of Emmet County, and the eastern half of Mackinac County, and that seasonal unemployment levels in some of these areas tops well over 25 percent.

With the closure of the CMH OB department, the closest facilities that can deliver babies and provide pre- and post-natal care would be Northern Michigan Regional Hospital in Petoskey, Otsego Memorial Hospital in Gaylord, Charlevoix Area Hospital, War Memorial Hospital in Sault Ste. Marie and Alpena Regional Medical Center. Many people within the CMH’s service area will face a drive of more than one hour under optimal conditions.

According to Cheboygan hospital officials obstetric services were eliminated in Clare a year ago and West Branch (also in Stupak’s district) is also contemplating ending OB services — all a result of the exploding number of patients that are either uninsured or on Medicaid, which pays far lower reimbursement rates for services than private insurance.

“As a matter of fact,“ hospital administration said in a statement, “when Cheboygan closes their OB unit at the end of this month, there will be 16 counties without obstetric services in the northern lower peninsula.”

Dr. Margaret Punch, Chair of the Michigan Section of the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, told the Michigan Messenger that this diminishing availability of care for pregnant women in Stupak’s district is a serious danger to the health of mothers and babies.

“Having to travel longer distances for labor and delivery services is potentially very dangerous to both mother and baby, especially with unpredictable Michigan winter weather. At a time when we are hoping to increase access to affordable, quality health care, this is, indeed, very unfortunate.”

According to a report released Friday by Amnesty International, Michigan is already among the states with the highest levels of pregnancy-related mortality with 13.6 deaths for every 100,000 births and many more “near misses” in which birthing women experience complications that nearly kill them. The report, which does not include information about the obstetric unit closures this year, states that 43 percent of Michigan women live in medically under served areas.

Lawrence Barco, president of the MidMichigan Medical Center in Clare, which is just outside Stupak’s district and recently was forced to close its OB department, testified recently before a committee of the Michigan Senate about the problem of decreasing care for pregnant women in the state. He called the decision to close their OB department “heartrending because the childbearing women of our area tend to be poor and have transportation issues which increase the importance of having obstetrical services available as close as possible.”

“This population tends to be high risk and benefits more than most by having prenatal care, labor and delivery service and postnatal and pediatric services within easy travel distances,” he continued. “Minutes count when you’re delivering babies, and the lives and health of both mother and child are placed at risk when these services are not conveniently located.”

How would the health care reform bill help with those problems? By increasing the number of people with private health insurance, which pays higher reimbursement rates than Medicaid and dramatically reduces the number of people who are unable to pay for medical care at all.

According to the federal government, the health care reform bill would give 1.3 million uninsured Michigan residents — roughly 13 percent of the population — access to affordable health insurance.

That site also explains why the health care reform bill would help medical providers stay solvent and continue to offer crucial medical services. “Right now, providers in Michigan lose $2 billion in uncompensated care each year, which states subsidize at least in part. Instead, under reform, uncompensated care would begin to be reduced immediately as more uninsured people gain coverage.”

Dr. Punch agrees, telling the Michigan Messenger, “While it still seems difficult to me to predict what might happen with health care reform, any move to assure insurance coverage for pregnant women and provide adequate reimbursement to hospitals and physicians for taking care of them would certainly have a positive effect on minimizing the number of physicians and hospitals pulling out of providing obstetrical coverage for the women of Michigan.”

If Stupak’s insistence on not voting for the health care reform bill if it does not include his anti-abortion language succeeds in derailing that bill, it may well be the women of his own district — and their infant children — who suffer as a result.

Comments

  • lbryson

    How about the unborn children across the country that will be killed with the help of the American Tax payer if Mr. Stupak caves in?

    • Michael_Heath

      Ibryson stated:

      How about the unborn children across the country that will be killed with the help of the American Tax payer if Mr. Stupak caves in?

      Please point to the exact language in the Senate Bill that would cause federal funds to be used for abortions with the exceptions of rape, incest, and the when the life of the pregnant female is at risk. Rep. Stupak does not object to these exceptions which is why I carve these exceptions out plus they are in compliance with the Hyde Amendment which prohibits federal funding for abortions. So please, provide us with the exact and cited language neither Rep. Stupak or anyone else has been able to reference that supports Rep. Stupak and your position ibryson.

      • lbryson

        Dodd on Why Health Care Bill Allows Federal Funding of Abortion: 'We
        Like the Idea That People Have Choices'
        Monday, July 20, 2009
        By Marie Magleby & Monica Gabriel

        Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.) (AP Photo)(CNSNews.com) – The Senate
        version of health care reform, which passed in committee on a 13-10
        party-line vote last Wednesday, would effectively mandate federal
        funding of abortion through various insurance coverage mechanisms
        included in the bill.

        When asked about the fact that the bill will allow federal funding of
        abortion, Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.) told CNSNews.com, “I think we
        handled the issue well.

        “We like the idea that people have choices and, indeed, the law of the
        land permits people to make those choices, and we respect that, and we
        are going to pursue that,” said Dodd. “Again, we do not want to
        discriminate when people have–they have convictions, moral convictions
        and religious convictions,” Dodd added.

        Likewise, President Obama's budget chief Peter Orszag told “FOX News
        Sunday” he thinks federal funding for abortion will “wind up being part
        of the debate.”

        “It's obviously a controversial issue, and it's one of the questions
        that is playing out in this debate,” the Office of Management and Budget
        chief said. “I'm not prepared to rule it out,” he added.

        In the bill sponsored by Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) and being ushered
        through the Senate by Dodd, there is a two-part amendment that deals
        with women's health, which was added by Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.).

        The language in the amendment is broad, with phrases that mandate
        coverage for unspecified “preventive care and screenings” for pregnant
        women, and direct insurers participating in government-subsidized plans
        to include in their networks unnamed “essential community providers.”

        Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)When Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) asked the
        sponsor of the language, Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D.-Md.), about this in
        committee last week, Mikulski admitted that her amendment covers
        “women's health clinics” and “Planned Parenthood clinics,” and “would
        provide for any service deemed medically necessary or medically
        appropriate.” (Hear Audio)

        When Hatch then suggested that the amendment include language that
        specifically said it not include abortion, Mikulski said, “No, I would
        not be willing to do that at this time.”

        Federal funding for abortions has been prohibited by legislation known
        as the Hyde Amendment since 1976. After more than 30 years of this
        federal law preventing federal taxpayers from paying for abortion,
        Mikulski's amendment effectively creates a loophole that will allow–and
        perhaps require–tax dollars to go to abortions.

        The Hyde Amendment “would be circumvented in that bill,” Sen. Mike Enzi
        (R-Wyo.) told CNSNews.com on Wednesday. Enzi is the ranking Republican
        on the Senate Health committee that approved the bill. He voted against
        Mikulski's language.

        Hatch echoed Enzi's fears concerning the broad language of the bill. “I
        think it's a terrible mistake,” Hatch said.

        “The Hyde language says taxpayers shouldn't have to pay – especially
        those taxpayers who don't believe in abortion – should not have to be
        paying for abortions for those who do,” Hatch said.

        • Michael_Heath

          A CNS News article from last July about a draft from one Senate Committee in no way validates what passed in the Senate December 24th. It doesn't validate the language of the bill that was passed because the discussion you reference was language coming out of one committee prior to that draft merging with language coming out other commitees. Rep. Stupak was objecting the last couple of weeks to the language passed in the Senate on 12/24/09; not a draft released to the floor in late-July of last year. Here is a link to the final version of the Senate bill that was passed: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/pagedetails.act…

          In addition, CNS News is in no way a credible source or are their sources for this story. Just today the CNS News' website's lead story lied about the fact that if the House uses the Slaughter rule, then the House would not be voting on the final bill. That's simply not true, they are in fact voting up or down on what would go the President (assuming the Senate also passes it), just by conjoining the Senate Bill to the President's amendments. And why are they doing that? In order to not allow Republicans to lie about their passing repugnant items currently in the Senate bill that will not be in what is ultimately passed due to amendments presented by the President removing those items. By combining their vote they are therefore voting only on what would be passed into law if the Senate and the President signed what passes in the House.

          CNS News, along with Fox News, also lied two days ago by claiming that nearly one-third of doctors would leave medicine if health reform passes where they cited the New England Journal of Medicine. In fact that was an email survey result, i.e., not statistically significant therefore the claim was false. It wasn't even conducted by the NEJM but instead by another entity which provides recruitment info in a NEJM newsletter and uses their site. The NEJM website that noted such clearly cited this “survey” came from another entity and again, was never published in their “latest issue” as CNS News falsely claimed.

          No wonder your perception of reality is so off. I recommend changing news sources who can withstand factchecking and correct the record when they make a mistake. The NEJM story is still uncorrected in terms of citing a statistically insignificant claim as it were representative of the population and claiming it was published in the last issue of NEJM when in fact it was not. What's ironic is that last Autumn the NEJM did report on a statistically significant survey and published those results. The highlight was that 63% of AMA doctors supported the public option. Citation: http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHealthPolicy/…

          I assume this site has a two link minimum. I also assume my other assertions are articulated well enough that one can easily google those results. If you care to see citations and fail to find them yourself, I'll be glad to provide a link in a subsequent comment post.

          • lbryson

            Michael_Heath,

            Read this from
            http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which…

            Summary
            Will health care legislation mean “government funding of abortion”?

            President Obama said Wednesday that's “not true” and among several
            “fabrications” being spread by “people who are bearing false witness.”
            But abortion foes say it's the president who's making a false claim.
            “President Obama today brazenly misrepresented the abortion-related
            component” of health care legislation, said Douglas Johnson, legislative
            director for the National Right to Life Committee. So which side is
            right?

            The truth is that bills now before Congress don't require federal money
            to be used for supporting abortion coverage. So the president is right
            to that limited extent. But it's equally true that House and Senate
            legislation would allow a new “public” insurance plan to cover
            abortions, despite language added to the House bill that technically
            forbids using public funds to pay for them. Obama has said in the past
            that “reproductive services” would be covered by his public plan, so
            it's likely that any new federal insurance plan would cover abortion
            unless Congress expressly prohibits that. Low- and moderate-income
            persons who would choose the “public plan” would qualify for federal
            subsidies to purchase it. Private plans that cover abortion also could
            be purchased with the help of federal subsidies. Therefore, we judge
            that the president goes too far when he calls the statements that
            government would be funding abortions “fabrications.”

            Sounds to me like my tax dollars will be helping people kill their
            children.

            Concerning doctors leaving their profession, if your pay was cut would
            you still do your job? Why do you think it is so naive to thing that
            doctors will not do the same?

            Do you believe that the government of the United States can collect
            taxes for four years in order to pay for health care reform that kicks
            in after this time and not be tempted to spend it? Even after they
            spent the money that was supposed to be saved for social security
            payments and medicare payments? These ponzi schemes make Madoff look
            like a saint.

            What will happen as what always happens when taxes are raised to fix a
            spending deficit is that the money will be spent on something else and
            the deficit will remain. This “deficit neutral plan” will ruin this
            country financially.

            Do you believe that when the government makes it more expensive to hire
            new employees, that that will not affect job growth?

            Do you believe that when the government makes it more expensive to keep
            current employees that it will not lead to more unemployment?

            Do you believe that people who have high deductible insurance policies
            and HSAs should be penalized for having the wherewithal to save for a
            rainy day?

            What good is the right to health care if you don't have a job?

            To me the priorities are all wrong. First do something to make it
            easier for companies to hire and retain employees. Then move on to
            health care.

            Congress should act like we are in difficult financial times and we
            can't go out and buy a new entitlement right now.

            Leslie

  • swagman1893

    The neutral stance on the divisive issue of abortion funding would be to maintain the status quo, which is the Hyde Amendment. It has been the federal policy for 30 years and prohibits public funds for elective abortions.

    The problem isn't created by Rep. Stupak. He offered an amendment to the House bill to maintain the status quo which was approved by the House by a substantial majority.

    The problem was created by the Senate bill which does not maintain the status quo. Rep. Stupak is only taking a principled stand to maintain the status quo and what the House had approved.

    • Michael_Heath

      swagman1893 stated:

      The problem was created by the Senate bill which does not maintain the status quo. Rep. Stupak is only taking a principled stand to maintain the status quo and what the House had approved.

      Please point to the exact language in the Senate Bill that would cause federal funds to be used for abortions with the exceptions of rate, incest, and the when the life of the mother is at risk. Rep. Stupak does not object to these exceptions. So please, provide us with the language neither Rep. Stupak or anyone else has been able to reference that supports Rep. Stupak and your position Swagman1893.

      As best as the factcheckers can tell, federal funds will not go towards abortion coverage. Here's one of many factcheck sites: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/stateme…

  • ConservativeinaLiberalLand

    So, let me get this right…you save children by aborting them. Did I get that right?

  • almaata

    Is this supposed to be a news article or an opinion piece? If it's the former, then it's incredibly biased, and if it's the latter, it's not clearly marked. Somehow, I'm not surprised.

    I'm all for universal health care, but you don't do it on the backs of the unborn.

    • Michael_Heath

      almaata stated:

      I'm all for universal health care, but you don't do it on the backs of the unborn.

      How exactly does the health insurance reform rely on abortion? I see absolutely zero relationship.

      Since last summer health reform advocates have attempted to keep the abortion debate out of health care reform given that we have two very polarized sides with most Americans stuck in the middle. Allowing a debate on changing abortion policy within the broader context of the health insurance reform debate would have certainly resulted in the defeat of health care reform if either side tried was successful in extending their policy positions.

      By not changing the current prohibition of federal funds relative to abortion both sides on the debate believed that the health insurance reform debate could then be debated on its merits rather than a hammer by either side to change abortion policy. The Senate Bill is in compliance with the Hyde Amendment which achieves this objective and the President's reconciliation doesn't effect it either since his items are all budget-related. Therefore, please enlighten me on how the current Senate Bill and the President's reconciliation initiatives break this agreement per your apparent inference that it does.

  • YankeeSue

    This article makes such a great point! Is Rep. Stupak really willing to vote against a bill that will give insurance to the 9 million children in this country who have no healthcare insurance? Hospitalized kids with no insurance are 60% more likely to die than kids who have insurance. That's unAmerican. I can't believe that an elected official can vote against a bill that will insure all our children.

  • 12sarahsally12

    If Rep Stupak is an example of the type of legislator who comes out of the Midwest, I am very grateful I left the area and never returned. And I would be most interested to learn if he has accepted campaign donations from any insurance companies. And what of the 3 or 4 he has managed to brain wash and go along with his plan to defeat the badly needed HealthCare Bill? Are their negative votes supposed to be their claim to fame? And the state of Health Care in Michigan sounds as if it is a shambles. So sad.

  • snowonderful

    The problem is that there just isn't enough money to go around and shifting this burden to a national managment rather than local and/or private isn't going to change the fact that it is bankrupting businesses and America. Focusing on birth control might be an option. And look, even Planned Parenthood had to shut down clinics and operations in these low income, uninusred areas. We are not socailists and being here doews not entitle anyone to insurance paid for by the working. My own job is at risk, so I am not unsympthetic, jsut realistic. Our national debt is out of control and national healthcare will just add to the burden.

  • drew77

    Do democrats not realize that this is a divisive issue that America is split 50/50 on? I personally view abortion as genocide and murder and why should people who see abortion as morally evil be forced to pay taxes to fund this evil? I'm a conservative who believes in healthcare reform and WOULD support the healthcare bill IF and only IF Obama would quit being stubborn and not allow for federal funds for abortion in this bill! Even if people disagree with me on abortion, I respect that. But DO NOT force something so divisive to be taxed by a nation that is 50/50 on this issue. If this were a small issue that did not involve the ending of life I do not think people would care.

    • ebrayton

      First, there's nothing in the bill that pays for abortion; every single independent fact check has concluded that – including a group of pro-life Catholic and evangelical scholars . Second, why does your argument apply only to abortion? There are millions of Americans who consider the war in Iraq to be evil, yet more than a trillion dollars has been spent on it. Every single person has some things the government does that they consider immoral. We don't get to pick and choose what our tax dollars pay for.

  • drew77

    Stupak's courage is saying that Obama SHOULD NOT force a bill through that a majority of American's oppose. The liberal elitist assume that the government needs to think for them and deem people incompetent to think for themselves. This is mere humanism and pluralist agnosticism that does not represent mainstream America. This nation is 75% Christian and the extreme and somewhat divided against human dignity and life views of the extreme left represents a only 20% of this nation but the crooks assume that we can't think for ourselves and that we won't correct this issue at the ballot box come this Fall and in 2012. History repeats itself and this flirtation with the ideals of the USSR by the left will end soon and justice and dignity will prevail at the ballot box.

    • ebrayton

      All this empty rhetoric. A majority of Americans are pro-choice and have been for decades. And there is nothing “extreme left” about the Obama administration or this health care reform bill — which is, in fact, very close to what the Republicans were proposing as an alternative to the Clinton health care reform plan in 1993. The bill subsidizes private insurance, for crying out loud, it doesn't nationalize health care or even make it a single payer system. And Stupak is in favor of that bill, he only wants to change what he thinks it says about abortion funding. So no, Stupak is not showing “courage” or agreeing with you at all.

      • prolifesupporter

        Actually a majority of Americans are pro-life and against health care reform that pays for abortions with tax money. It is also a fact that a major contributor of Obama's in 2008 was Planned Parenthood.

        • Michael_Heath

          Please point to where health care reform pays for abortion with tax money, i.e., the page number of the Senate Bill and the exact language. It doesn't.

  • susancallen

    Rep. Stupak is a man of principle and you are lucky to have him. This is a very slanted story and I will be willing to bet that it was fed to you by Pelosi and Company. There are many outrageous claims in here. The Obama administration is the most radically pro abortion administration to date. Stupak has more intergrity in his little finger than the whole administration put together. I am originally from your area and thank God for Rep. Stupak….man of principle.
    God Bless him.

  • Michael_Heath

    susancallen writes:

    Rep. Stupak is a man of principle and you are lucky to have him.

    I live in Rep. Stupak's district and have voted for Rep. Stupak every opportunity I've had. However, how is he principled when he lies that the Senate Bill funds abortion beyond agreed to exceptions when it clearly does not? Not one factcheck site has been able to show how the Senate Bill doesn't comply with Hyde Amendment which prohibits federal funding of abortion plus Rep. Stupak's only example claiming federal funds would go to abortion were untrue.

    Your entire comment reads as a screed for a team rather than actual principle based on empirical facts. In fact you describe Rep. Stupak's character three times while defending a position he's taken which is in fact a lie where evidence of lie argues against such character descriptions. A little case of projectionism perhaps?

    If you want to advocate for Rep. Stupak to kill health insurance reform by lying about the bill's language on abortion, please at least be honest about that rather than claiming someone who is lying is man of God and principle because he lies to achieve an end you support.

    Politfact as a citation reveals that even the $1/mo. premium would get paid only by those people in the new exchange (less than 10% of the population) and only for those who purposefully choose abortion coverage (which is already available in current insurance coverage used in the far larger employer-funded market). No federal funds will go towards abortions except the exceptions in the Hyde Amendment, which even Rep. Stupak's House amendment covered (rape, incest, life of mother). Link: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/stateme…

  • lbryson

    Michael_Heath,

    Read this from
    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which…

    Summary
    Will health care legislation mean “government funding of abortion”?

    President Obama said Wednesday that's “not true” and among several
    “fabrications” being spread by “people who are bearing false witness.”
    But abortion foes say it's the president who's making a false claim.
    “President Obama today brazenly misrepresented the abortion-related
    component” of health care legislation, said Douglas Johnson, legislative
    director for the National Right to Life Committee. So which side is
    right?

    The truth is that bills now before Congress don't require federal money
    to be used for supporting abortion coverage. So the president is right
    to that limited extent. But it's equally true that House and Senate
    legislation would allow a new “public” insurance plan to cover
    abortions, despite language added to the House bill that technically
    forbids using public funds to pay for them. Obama has said in the past
    that “reproductive services” would be covered by his public plan, so
    it's likely that any new federal insurance plan would cover abortion
    unless Congress expressly prohibits that. Low- and moderate-income
    persons who would choose the “public plan” would qualify for federal
    subsidies to purchase it. Private plans that cover abortion also could
    be purchased with the help of federal subsidies. Therefore, we judge
    that the president goes too far when he calls the statements that
    government would be funding abortions “fabrications.”

    Sounds to me like my tax dollars will be helping people kill their
    children.

    Concerning doctors leaving their profession, if your pay was cut would
    you still do your job? Why do you think it is so naive to thing that
    doctors will not do the same?

    Do you believe that the government of the United States can collect
    taxes for four years in order to pay for health care reform that kicks
    in after this time and not be tempted to spend it? Even after they
    spent the money that was supposed to be saved for social security
    payments and medicare payments? These ponzi schemes make Madoff look
    like a saint.

    What will happen as what always happens when taxes are raised to fix a
    spending deficit is that the money will be spent on something else and
    the deficit will remain. This “deficit neutral plan” will ruin this
    country financially.

    Do you believe that when the government makes it more expensive to hire
    new employees, that that will not affect job growth?

    Do you believe that when the government makes it more expensive to keep
    current employees that it will not lead to more unemployment?

    Do you believe that people who have high deductible insurance policies
    and HSAs should be penalized for having the wherewithal to save for a
    rainy day?

    What good is the right to health care if you don't have a job?

    To me the priorities are all wrong. First do something to make it
    easier for companies to hire and retain employees. Then move on to
    health care.

    Congress should act like we are in difficult financial times and we
    can't go out and buy a new entitlement right now.

    Leslie