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By Staff Report | 11.16.11

I am writing today to announce the closure of the Michigan Messenger. After four years of operation in Michigan, the board of the American Independent News Network, has decided to shift publication of its news into a single site, The American Independent at Americanindependent.com. This is part of a shift in strategy, towards new forms [...]

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By Eartha Jane Melzer | 11.14.11

Despite evidence of the impact of mercury on children and public health, Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette last month joined with 24 other state attorneys general in filing a lawsuit to scuttle new EPA regulations that would reduce mercury emissions from power plants.

Pentagon to talk to Michigan company about Bible verse scopes

By Ed Brayton | 01.20.10 | 7:02 am

After it was revealed by ABC News that a Wixom, Michigan-based defense contractor had long been putting Bible verses on scopes purchased by the military for use in Iraq and Afghanistan, both predominately Muslim nations, military officials want to meet with representatives of that company to discuss the matter. The Detroit Free Press reports:

The U.S. Marines said today it plans to meet with a Wixom-based company after complaints that it makes gun sights for the U.S. military with biblical references inscribed on them.

“We are aware of the issue and are concerned with how this may be perceived,” Capt. Geraldine Carey with the U.S. Marine Corps said today. She added that they will meet with Trijicon to discuss future purchases of the gun sights.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) was the organization that first notified the Pentagon about the scopes after being alerted to it by active duty military personnel who were disturbed by the verses being on military hardware at a time when the military was actively trying to avoid sending a message to the Muslim world that we were engaged in a religious war.

Tuesday evening, MRFF sent the Michigan Messenger a forwarded email from one such soldier that showed how some in the military were using the Bible verses on the scopes to foment the idea that they were fighting a religious war against Islam. The identity of the soldier has been redacted to protect his safety. The email said:

To: Mikey Wenstein and MRFF:

I am a U.S. Army infantry soldier with the rank of (rank withheld). I am married with children. I am stationed at Fort (installation name withheld). I have been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan multiple times. I have been awarded medals for direct combat engagement as well as for injuries and wounds received in hand-to-hand combat. I am a Muslim American. My family converted when I was very young. I am caucasian and have a last name that does not sound ethnic. Therefore, few of my fellow soldiers know that I am a Muslim. My wife comes from a Christian tradition but rarely practices or attends church. I have witnessed terrible religious persecution in the my (number withheld) years in the Army. Most of it comes from “angry” conservative Christians in my unit chains of command and occasionally from my fellow infantry soldiers. I am very familiar with the Trijicon ACOG gunsights and have often had them as part of my personal weapons; both my M-4 and my M-16. In my first 2 deployments I saw and experienced no incidents regarding the New Testament bible quotes that are written on the metal casing of the gun sights. Many soldiers know of them and are very confused as to why they are there and what it is supposed to mean. Everyone is worried that if they were captured in combat that the enemy would use the bible quotes against them in captivity or some other form of propaganda. As an American soldier I am ashamed that those bible quotes are on our primary weapons. As a Muslim American I am horrified. As one who swore his oath to the Constitution, I am driven to fight this Christian insanity but I know if I try to do so in a visible way that I will suffer at the hands of my military superiors. I am of low enlisted rank and can be crushed easily. I am prepared to suffer, but I am not prepared for my wife and children to suffer. So I have reached out to MRFF because there is nowhere else safe to go to try to fight this thing of disgrace. There are many other soldiers who feel as I do. Many are Protestant and Catholic and they fear reprisal just as much as I do for trying to stand up to the Christian bullies in uniform who outrank us. But if you try to fight back, you are not “asking” for trouble, YOU ARE IN TROUBLE from the start. And if you are a Muslim American, the hatred is always just below the surface and ready to explode at a moment’s notice. After the Fort Hood shootings, it was so bad, even for a low profile Muslim like me, that I had to ask MRFF for help.

Nothing in my first 2 deployments prepared me for what happened with the Trijicon ACOG gun sights during my 3rd deployment to Afghanistan. I will never forget the day it occurred. It was morning and there was a mandatory formation of several companies. A very senior NCO was yelling at us which is not that unusual. He asked a private what it was that he (the private) was holding in his hand and the private said it was his “weapon” several times to which the senior NCO replied “and what ELSE is it”? FInally, the senior NCO said that the private’s rifle was also something else; that because of the biblical quote on the ACOG gunsight it had been “spiritually transformed into the Fire Arm of Jesus Christ” and that we would be expected to kill every “haji” we could find with it. He said that if we were to run out of ammo, then the rifle would become the “spiritually transformed club of Jesus Christ” and that we should “bust open the head of every haji we find with it.” He said that Uncle Sam had seen fit not to give us a “pussy ‘Jewzzi’ (combination of the word ‘Jew’ and Israeli made weapon ‘Uzi’) but the “fire arm of Jesus Christ” and made specific mention of the biblical quotes on our gun sights. He said that the enemy no doubt had quotes from the Koran on their guns but that “our Lord is bigger than theirs because theirs is a fraud and an idol”. As a Muslim and an American soldier I was fit to be tied but I kept it in. There were many Afghans, both civilian and military, on base within earshot of what was being yelled at us and I can only wonder in shock what they must have thought. This senior NCO was apparently also the head person of a conservative, crazy Christian group called the “Christian Military Fellowship” and made a big deal about the importance of joining to everyone. He told us all that we MUST read a book called “Under Orders” in order to make it through this combat deployment and said he had many copies for everyone. Some of my friends went and got their copies. I refused. Finally, this senior NCO ended his yelling by warning us that if we did not “get right with Jesus” then our rifles would not provide spiritual strength despite the bible quotes on our ACOG gunsights and that we would be considered “spiritual cripples” to our fellow units and soldiers. He didn’t say it in so many words, but the message was clear; if anything bad happened in a combat situation, it would be the fault of anyone who had not accepted Jesus Chris in the “right way”. I have never felt so ashamed and scared in my life. I have never hated myself so much for not speaking out. So I thought of my wife and children and endured. Every time I looked at my rifle with that Trijicon ACOG gunsight/scope with the biblical quote from the book of John (8:12), it would make me sick. If I had tried to protest, it would have made me dead. And if I’m dead I’m of no use to my wife and children.

Comments

  • mikeingardencity

    Wow, what an ingrateful, poor excuse for a soldier this complete moron is. I've never been so offended by a person's whining before in my life.
    Boy, it's a good thing we have the MRFF. Without them poor, pitiful souls such as the one ridiculed above would actually have to stand up like real men and be accountable for their own version of reality.

    I've been confronted by Jehovah Witnesses, I've been in Catholic churches and I've spoke to many different persons, of different ethnic backgrounds regarding their own specific religion and every one of them carried the same message; “Our's is the one true way and there is no other”.
    I've respected their feelings and beliefs every single time.
    At no time did I ever feel that my life, my livelihood or my right to live in this country were in jeopardy.
    This is simply another case of someone with too much time on their hands trying to change the world to fit their desires.
    I have one question for the whiny simpleton who authored the “plea for recognition”. You mention a concern for your wife and children. Don't you gratefully support them with American dollars that read “In God we Trust” and isn't that support provided by a government willing to employ a non-skilled laborer and provide him with food, shelter and training that may someday allow him/her to further pursue their version of the “American Dream”?

    • umm_duh

      I'm a Muslim and I just have to say this. You are an intolerant Jesus-Freak if you're saying that Muslims do not believe in God. You said something about “In God we Trust” up there; are you implying that Muslims do not believe in God? They do, and in fact, the same one as you do, we just have different views of what Jesus did. You also mentioned the “American Dream,” is he not an American just because he believes a different religion? It specifically says in the Constitution that the mixing of Church and state is illegal, and if you want to deny that stubbornly that makes you subject to treason.

      I rest my case.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ABMT6RIB3DH564QCM3ATGOIW4A Matthan

      I am a us infantry soldier too so you want to take the chaplains out of the army too? wow who cares if there is a bible verse on your scope ive been deployed to various combat zones too and seen some things but does a bible verse really make you afraid? this is too the muslim no doubt you may be a good damn soldier but does it really matter to u u r there to do your job shoot move communicat kill hooah

  • ragnard79

    Wow– that's quite a response there, mikeingardencity. The following may come as a shock to you, mikeingardencity, but we actually have a constitutionally-mandated separation of church and state in this country. Whatever your feelings regarding various religions, the above scenario (assuming it is an accurate depiction of events) clearly violates that principal, as the senior NCO in question was acting in his official capacity. Do you really see equivalence between a Jehova's WItness missionary on your doorstep asking if they can come in to discuss their faith with you, and what is described above? Do you really think this person should just “respect the views” of a senior NCO who is exhorting his subordinates to “kill Hajis” with the “fire arm of Jesus Christ”? I weep for the republic.

  • chadreason

    Respecting is not following. He must respect his senior NCO appointed over him. On another note, being in a combat environment is something most Americans have never, and will never experience. We are at war. Americans are dying in Afghanistan daily. This crybaby Muslim American above can suck it up for a few minutes while the rest of the soldiers in those companies get a moral boost and stay motivated in combat. I guarantee theres a great majority of the soldiers in that formation that got goosebumps just discovering what was written on their ACOG's. Pick your poison, mines success.

    • emanuel211

      Chad, I understand that being a “proud” American naturally lends you to such weak evaluations of our present-day conflicts. But must you also embarrass yourself with witless tripe, poor grammar, and puerile attempts at spelling? If you are done suppressing reality in the spirit of “freedom”, Sean Hannity's Astroturf needs mowing.

      • papahyooie

        I see no grammatical errors in chadreason's post, besides the possible slight infraction of using a comma instead of seperating the last two statements into two seperate sentences, and the use of an apostrophe in “ACOGs” (the use of which could be argued.

  • sitotaw

    is it quotation or serial #? what if it is quotation for real Islam or Christian? as I know both believe that Jesus is the real Light that shines in the mid of darkness

    • umm_duh

      Well, Muslims DO believe in Jesus but not in the same way as Christians. Christians think of him EXTREMELY highly, though for Muslims he is one prophet of many.

  • anakperelih

    looks like what the American are telling the world that the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is not a Christian crusade against Muslims are false and a lie….

  • bulletproofcourier

    From a Canadian perspective, putting bible references on a soldier's gear is totally batshit crazy fundamentalism.

  • thinkwithlogic

    I think that they should just take the Biblical references off of the ACOG scopes, but if the Christian soldiers really need higher morale to fight (as mentioned above by chadreason), then they should carry a Bible or a Crucifixion Cross with them. Leave religion out of government affairs, but leave a personal choice up to the soldiers.

    • usmcoverseas

      It's funny how all these people keep talking about keeping religion out of government affairs, but you must always refer to the dollar. Whether Muslim, Christian, Buddhist what ever in God we trust. Do you think the enemy is keeping religion out of their affairs I think not. I have heard countless times the enemy cry out God is great and that usually follows by a big boom or the beheading of someone. But let's not talk about that lets concentrate on a stupid scope, and what is on the side of it. If this soldier was so offended then guess what buy a different scope. There are many scopes that fit on the m-16 and m-4 even with out the rail system on them. I know many Marines including myself that bought a scope for their rifle, because we weren't as lucky as the army was in getting scopes on their rifle. Yes I have been over seas as well so I do know. If a private company wants to put something on their product then so be it that is their choice. Then it's the governments choice to buy from them or not case closed. To every one that says that this verse makes it harder on the military over seas cause it looks like a religious crusade wake up. Just being over there makes them want to kill military members, and their hate for us was there before we even went over there. But hey 911 was a fake and all those people that died in those towers and on those planes just had it coming huh? Wow it continues to amaze me how out of wack our views on trivial things are.

  • obeetr35

    valid points from all, but the real question is this: why is it that if something doesnt apply to you, why do you let it bother you? If you dont like the verse on your scope, tape over it! Then write something more to your liking on the tape. It really isnt that big a deal. As a Catholic, I very much feel that everyone is right to practice as they feel fit, including in the running of a business that makes scopes for the military. As for the whiner in the article, that soldier needs to go to the Inspector General and have his issues with his COC fixed. This is all just a LITTLE bit on the re-re side.

    Will I be given the option to get a scope with the verse still on it? I would like that. Its time to stop the madness. So,one more time, if it doesnt apply to you FORGET IT! Its time for religious tolerance to flow in all directions, from all faiths, to all faiths.

  • mark001

    “I am driven to fight this Christian insanity” Why did you join the Army? We have been at war for nearly ten years. College money I'm sure, but the point is why would you sign up to fight the very war your bitching about.? I read a couple references to Christian Conservatives (which represents 90 plus percent of infantry and SOF) sounds like your a Muslim Liberal that should have stayed in college!

  • glocktherock

    Most of the commentators here seem to be missing the point of this controversy. While the soldier referenced above is clearly personally bothered by what he found on his equipment, there's a larger issue here.

    Whatever your beliefs, the fact is that just the publicity of the practices of this company is harming our soldiers overseas. Personal items are one thing, but when news gets out that US military equipment is being sent out with Bible verses on it, you give people overseas the idea that this is a religious crusade. Muslims all over the world that might have otherwise stood on the sidelines, or even helped out troops, will join the insurgents, the Taliban, and Al-Qaeda.

    Maybe you think it should be a crusade (a moronic opinion, as far as I'm concerned, but irrelevant to the point I'm making) but regardless, all you're doing is making the job of our troops harder.

    So given that you're supporting the actions of this company, which makes the job of terrorist recruiters around the world easier, I have to ask: Why are you supporting the enemy?

  • glocktherock

    Most of the commentators here seem to be missing the point of this controversy. While the soldier referenced above is clearly personally bothered by what he found on his equipment, there's a larger issue here.

    Whatever your beliefs, the fact is that just the publicity of the practices of this company is harming our soldiers overseas. Personal items are one thing, but when news gets out that US military equipment is being sent out with Bible verses on it, you give people overseas the idea that this is a religious crusade. Muslims all over the world that might have otherwise stood on the sidelines, or even helped out troops, will join the insurgents, the Taliban, and Al-Qaeda.

    Maybe you think it should be a crusade (a moronic opinion, as far as I'm concerned, but irrelevant to the point I'm making) but regardless, all you're doing is making the job of our troops harder.

    So given that you're supporting the actions of this company, which makes the job of terrorist recruiters around the world easier, I have to ask: Why are you supporting the enemy?

  • whattothink

    I bet if the verse on the sight was related to Islam, we would not dare to even think about removing it. The government would be labled as “Anti-Islam” and “Muslim Haters”.
    This goes along with all the things that the government is mandated to observe i.e. Black History Month, Hispanic Heritage Month, Asian Pacific American Heritage Month, Jewish Heritage Month, Native American Heritage Month, Women's History Month etc.
    Why is it so easy to get rid of anything that has to do with Christianity or White race.
    I am happy to observe racial, religious, and ethnic awareness. Just look at who is getting the shaft in this country. If there was a White TV channel, White movie award, White person of the year award in the military, then there would be some serious squaking going on about how they arew all a bunch of racist KKK members. Look at the above mentioned races, ethnicities, genders and tell me how many awards, tv channels etc. they have.
    Anyway, as far as the sights… It should be a personal choice if you want it with or without. I think that us who are religious (no matter what religion) can find it somewhat comforting to have something that connects us with our God of choice in the heat of the moment.

  • Anonymous

    My son is in Afghanistan at this moment and has also been awarded combat metals. To him there is no separation of church and state. He prays for the safety of his comrads every miserable day over there. We are there supposedly because of the hatred of the infidel (Christian). This whole big ball got rolling over the attack on 9-11, as a means to disrupt this nation built on Christian values. We did not declare this a holy war, They did.

    • Anonymous

      Your son has every right to pray for anyone he wants. That has absolutely nothing to do with the separation of church and state. And an infidel is an unbeliever, not a Christian.