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	<title>Comments on: Targeted transgender community speaks out in advance of vote</title>
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		<title>By: Zoe_Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe_Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not quite true to say that this bill poses zero danger.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Florida was the scene of one of the ugliest campaigns aimed at distorting the facts. The Gainesville City Council was to vote on amending their discrimination policy to include transgender protections. The culprit here is the organization called Citizens for Good Public Policy. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Their dirtiest trick was the creation of a video featuring an undesirable man in men’s street clothes lurking by a public bathroom in a park frequented by children. After a five or six year old girl goes into the bathroom, he is seen following her in. The footer reads “Your City Commission Made This Legal”. There is nothing to suggest their odious proposition that passing trans protections will legalize this kind of victimizing behavior.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The video was copied, and with minor changes to the captions, has been circulated for use elsewhere. You may have seen the version with customised wording for Kalamazoo.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; In a side note, one of the antagonists in this campaign of hate and lies, a CVS manager, admitted to filming women in his store’s restroom. So yes, there is a danger - from the opponents.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As mean-spirited and nasty as Gainesville, FL., Montgomery County Maryland in metro DC was the scene of an equally disturbing battle. Like Gainesville, the dirtiness of the tactics was extreme, but perhaps even more scary was the degree to which bigots will go to defend their intolerance. The hate-spewing group here calls itself Maryland Citizens for a Responsible Government.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of the sleaziest tactics used by MCRG was to send a hetero male, dressed in drag, into a local health club to incite fear and panic. Their ploy was discovered and this group’s cover was blown.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There have been no incidents involving trans people in the 35 years since such ordnances were first enacted, ordnances that now cover 38% of the US population. Not one.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There has never been a case of a pervert attempting to use such legislation as a defence, though one was caught in female attire in Washington state, which has such an ordnance. IF there was a real danger, he would at least have attempted to use it - except it&#039;s obvious to any legal advisor that it would have been laughed out of court.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But there have been two cases of opponents of such bills engaging in actual perverse behaviour as part of the smear campaign they&#039;ve run. So there is a danger there. They have no real incidents, so may try manufacturing them. Again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s not quite true to say that this bill poses zero danger.</p>
<p>Florida was the scene of one of the ugliest campaigns aimed at distorting the facts. The Gainesville City Council was to vote on amending their discrimination policy to include transgender protections. The culprit here is the organization called Citizens for Good Public Policy. </p>
<p>Their dirtiest trick was the creation of a video featuring an undesirable man in men’s street clothes lurking by a public bathroom in a park frequented by children. After a five or six year old girl goes into the bathroom, he is seen following her in. The footer reads “Your City Commission Made This Legal”. There is nothing to suggest their odious proposition that passing trans protections will legalize this kind of victimizing behavior.</p>
<p>The video was copied, and with minor changes to the captions, has been circulated for use elsewhere. You may have seen the version with customised wording for Kalamazoo.</p>
<p> In a side note, one of the antagonists in this campaign of hate and lies, a CVS manager, admitted to filming women in his store’s restroom. So yes, there is a danger &#8211; from the opponents.</p>
<p>As mean-spirited and nasty as Gainesville, FL., Montgomery County Maryland in metro DC was the scene of an equally disturbing battle. Like Gainesville, the dirtiness of the tactics was extreme, but perhaps even more scary was the degree to which bigots will go to defend their intolerance. The hate-spewing group here calls itself Maryland Citizens for a Responsible Government.</p>
<p>One of the sleaziest tactics used by MCRG was to send a hetero male, dressed in drag, into a local health club to incite fear and panic. Their ploy was discovered and this group’s cover was blown.</p>
<p>There have been no incidents involving trans people in the 35 years since such ordnances were first enacted, ordnances that now cover 38% of the US population. Not one.</p>
<p>There has never been a case of a pervert attempting to use such legislation as a defence, though one was caught in female attire in Washington state, which has such an ordnance. IF there was a real danger, he would at least have attempted to use it &#8211; except it&#39;s obvious to any legal advisor that it would have been laughed out of court.</p>
<p>But there have been two cases of opponents of such bills engaging in actual perverse behaviour as part of the smear campaign they&#39;ve run. So there is a danger there. They have no real incidents, so may try manufacturing them. Again.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe_Brain</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/29145/kalamzoo-ordinance-targeted-transgender-community-speaks-out-in-advance-of-vote/comment-page-1#comment-12038</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe_Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not quite true to say that this bill poses zero danger.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Florida was the scene of one of the ugliest campaigns aimed at distorting the facts. The Gainesville City Council was to vote on amending their discrimination policy to include transgender protections. The culprit here is the organization called Citizens for Good Public Policy. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Their dirtiest trick was the creation of a video featuring an undesirable man in men’s street clothes lurking by a public bathroom in a park frequented by children. After a five or six year old girl goes into the bathroom, he is seen following her in. The footer reads “Your City Commission Made This Legal”. There is nothing to suggest their odious proposition that passing trans protections will legalize this kind of victimizing behavior.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The video was copied, and with minor changes to the captions, has been circulated for use elsewhere. You may have seen the version with customised wording for Kalamazoo.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; In a side note, one of the antagonists in this campaign of hate and lies, a CVS manager, admitted to filming women in his store’s restroom. So yes, there is a danger - from the opponents.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As mean-spirited and nasty as Gainesville, FL., Montgomery County Maryland in metro DC was the scene of an equally disturbing battle. Like Gainesville, the dirtiness of the tactics was extreme, but perhaps even more scary was the degree to which bigots will go to defend their intolerance. The hate-spewing group here calls itself Maryland Citizens for a Responsible Government.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of the sleaziest tactics used by MCRG was to send a hetero male, dressed in drag, into a local health club to incite fear and panic. Their ploy was discovered and this group’s cover was blown.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There have been no incidents involving trans people in the 35 years since such ordnances were first enacted, ordnances that now cover 38% of the US population. Not one.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There has never been a case of a pervert attempting to use such legislation as a defence, though one was caught in female attire in Washington state, which has such an ordnance. IF there was a real danger, he would at least have attempted to use it - except it&#039;s obvious to any legal advisor that it would have been laughed out of court.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But there have been two cases of opponents of such bills engaging in actual perverse behaviour as part of the smear campaign they&#039;ve run. So there is a danger there. They have no real incidents, so may try manufacturing them. Again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s not quite true to say that this bill poses zero danger.</p>
<p>Florida was the scene of one of the ugliest campaigns aimed at distorting the facts. The Gainesville City Council was to vote on amending their discrimination policy to include transgender protections. The culprit here is the organization called Citizens for Good Public Policy. </p>
<p>Their dirtiest trick was the creation of a video featuring an undesirable man in men’s street clothes lurking by a public bathroom in a park frequented by children. After a five or six year old girl goes into the bathroom, he is seen following her in. The footer reads “Your City Commission Made This Legal”. There is nothing to suggest their odious proposition that passing trans protections will legalize this kind of victimizing behavior.</p>
<p>The video was copied, and with minor changes to the captions, has been circulated for use elsewhere. You may have seen the version with customised wording for Kalamazoo.</p>
<p> In a side note, one of the antagonists in this campaign of hate and lies, a CVS manager, admitted to filming women in his store’s restroom. So yes, there is a danger &#8211; from the opponents.</p>
<p>As mean-spirited and nasty as Gainesville, FL., Montgomery County Maryland in metro DC was the scene of an equally disturbing battle. Like Gainesville, the dirtiness of the tactics was extreme, but perhaps even more scary was the degree to which bigots will go to defend their intolerance. The hate-spewing group here calls itself Maryland Citizens for a Responsible Government.</p>
<p>One of the sleaziest tactics used by MCRG was to send a hetero male, dressed in drag, into a local health club to incite fear and panic. Their ploy was discovered and this group’s cover was blown.</p>
<p>There have been no incidents involving trans people in the 35 years since such ordnances were first enacted, ordnances that now cover 38% of the US population. Not one.</p>
<p>There has never been a case of a pervert attempting to use such legislation as a defence, though one was caught in female attire in Washington state, which has such an ordnance. IF there was a real danger, he would at least have attempted to use it &#8211; except it&#39;s obvious to any legal advisor that it would have been laughed out of court.</p>
<p>But there have been two cases of opponents of such bills engaging in actual perverse behaviour as part of the smear campaign they&#39;ve run. So there is a danger there. They have no real incidents, so may try manufacturing them. Again.</p>
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		<title>By: baronrae</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/29145/kalamzoo-ordinance-targeted-transgender-community-speaks-out-in-advance-of-vote/comment-page-1#comment-11176</link>
		<dc:creator>baronrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, the bible is not dated, it is yesterday, today and tomorrow. If you don&#039;t believe this they you cannot believe that it is GOD&#039;s word. He is allseeing and knowing.&lt;br&gt;Secondly, I am a christian and I agree with the equal rights, because this is a civil rights issue and not about anyones religious beliefs.&lt;br&gt;Thirdly, I agree that people do not have anymore to fear from the transgender community then from any other community.&lt;br&gt;I do believe this could open the door to TRUE pediphiles possing as a woman, however, this is why people need to go to the bathroom with their children. I make my 7 yr.old son go with me into the women bathroom and I make him come into my stall so he will not invade anyone elses privacy or cause problems.&lt;br&gt;The bathroom objection is a &quot;red-herring&quot; to avoid prejudice labeling.&lt;br&gt;Please be careful about labeling others as well, because not all christians believe in using the bible as a weapon to &quot;judge&quot;. BTW I am not gay/lesbian nor Trans. I know what it is like to be discriminated against because I am a female mechanic in a man&#039;s world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, the bible is not dated, it is yesterday, today and tomorrow. If you don&#39;t believe this they you cannot believe that it is GOD&#39;s word. He is allseeing and knowing.<br />Secondly, I am a christian and I agree with the equal rights, because this is a civil rights issue and not about anyones religious beliefs.<br />Thirdly, I agree that people do not have anymore to fear from the transgender community then from any other community.<br />I do believe this could open the door to TRUE pediphiles possing as a woman, however, this is why people need to go to the bathroom with their children. I make my 7 yr.old son go with me into the women bathroom and I make him come into my stall so he will not invade anyone elses privacy or cause problems.<br />The bathroom objection is a &#8220;red-herring&#8221; to avoid prejudice labeling.<br />Please be careful about labeling others as well, because not all christians believe in using the bible as a weapon to &#8220;judge&#8221;. BTW I am not gay/lesbian nor Trans. I know what it is like to be discriminated against because I am a female mechanic in a man&#39;s world.</p>
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		<title>By: baronrae</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/29145/kalamzoo-ordinance-targeted-transgender-community-speaks-out-in-advance-of-vote/comment-page-1#comment-11115</link>
		<dc:creator>baronrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, the bible is not dated, it is yesterday, today and tomorrow. If you don&#039;t believe this they you cannot believe that it is GOD&#039;s word. He is allseeing and knowing.&lt;br&gt;Secondly, I am a christian and I agree with the equal rights, because this is a civil rights issue and not about anyones religious beliefs.&lt;br&gt;Thirdly, I agree that people do not have anymore to fear from the transgender community then from any other community.&lt;br&gt;I do believe this could open the door to TRUE pediphiles possing as a woman, however, this is why people need to go to the bathroom with their children. I make my 7 yr.old son go with me into the women bathroom and I make him come into my stall so he will not invade anyone elses privacy or cause problems.&lt;br&gt;The bathroom objection is a &quot;red-herring&quot; to avoid prejudice labeling.&lt;br&gt;Please be careful about labeling others as well, because not all christians believe in using the bible as a weapon to &quot;judge&quot;. BTW I am not gay/lesbian nor Trans. I know what it is like to be discriminated against because I am a female mechanic in a man&#039;s world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, the bible is not dated, it is yesterday, today and tomorrow. If you don&#39;t believe this they you cannot believe that it is GOD&#39;s word. He is allseeing and knowing.<br />Secondly, I am a christian and I agree with the equal rights, because this is a civil rights issue and not about anyones religious beliefs.<br />Thirdly, I agree that people do not have anymore to fear from the transgender community then from any other community.<br />I do believe this could open the door to TRUE pediphiles possing as a woman, however, this is why people need to go to the bathroom with their children. I make my 7 yr.old son go with me into the women bathroom and I make him come into my stall so he will not invade anyone elses privacy or cause problems.<br />The bathroom objection is a &#8220;red-herring&#8221; to avoid prejudice labeling.<br />Please be careful about labeling others as well, because not all christians believe in using the bible as a weapon to &#8220;judge&#8221;. BTW I am not gay/lesbian nor Trans. I know what it is like to be discriminated against because I am a female mechanic in a man&#39;s world.</p>
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		<title>By: nikkih777</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/29145/kalamzoo-ordinance-targeted-transgender-community-speaks-out-in-advance-of-vote/comment-page-1#comment-11107</link>
		<dc:creator>nikkih777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These clones of Anita Bryant and &quot;pinnacles of Christian virtue&quot; are very selective in which Scriptures that they choose to enforce. The Bible says women should not speak in Church and if they have a complaint or concern then they should bring it up with their husband. I think we all realize that this makes no sense in our current world where women are educated and part of the work force. Thousands of years ago, the writers of the Bible had no understanding of neurobiology, genetics, or psychosexual conditions. For heanens sake, they thought you were demon possessed if you were born left handed...lol. The Scriptures clearly must be understood in the culture, time period, and context that they were written in.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Surely, the Ten Commandments are the bedrock of JudeoChristian beliefs. The opponents of civil rights for GLBT people seem to forget the 7th Commandment, which is &quot;Thou Shalt Not Lie&quot;. Their distortions of the Truth and political scare tactics are out and out lies and misrepresentations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These clones of Anita Bryant and &#8220;pinnacles of Christian virtue&#8221; are very selective in which Scriptures that they choose to enforce. The Bible says women should not speak in Church and if they have a complaint or concern then they should bring it up with their husband. I think we all realize that this makes no sense in our current world where women are educated and part of the work force. Thousands of years ago, the writers of the Bible had no understanding of neurobiology, genetics, or psychosexual conditions. For heanens sake, they thought you were demon possessed if you were born left handed&#8230;lol. The Scriptures clearly must be understood in the culture, time period, and context that they were written in.</p>
<p>Surely, the Ten Commandments are the bedrock of JudeoChristian beliefs. The opponents of civil rights for GLBT people seem to forget the 7th Commandment, which is &#8220;Thou Shalt Not Lie&#8221;. Their distortions of the Truth and political scare tactics are out and out lies and misrepresentations.</p>
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