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		<title>By: cousin_2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cousin_2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same last name.  I am not amused with any comment about our last name being shamed.  Scott - you are out of line.  The victim is everyone and no one.  When poor judgement is used by - well everyone there and add alcohol and weed - that is a real crap sandwich will produce completely unpredictable behaivor.  Well that is what happened.  People are people and well drunk people are drunk people.  I&#039;m no shink but this is bad for the whole cummunity.   Let&#039;s learn from this.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same last name.  I am not amused with any comment about our last name being shamed.  Scott &#8211; you are out of line.  The victim is everyone and no one.  When poor judgement is used by &#8211; well everyone there and add alcohol and weed &#8211; that is a real crap sandwich will produce completely unpredictable behaivor.  Well that is what happened.  People are people and well drunk people are drunk people.  I&#39;m no shink but this is bad for the whole cummunity.   Let&#39;s learn from this.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: cousin_2</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/27967/haslett-teacher-reveals-drunk-shaming-by-fellow-employees/comment-page-1#comment-13507</link>
		<dc:creator>cousin_2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same last name.  I am not amused with any comment about our last name being shamed.  Scott - you are out of line.  The victim is everyone and no one.  When poor judgement is used by - well everyone there and add alcohol and weed - that is a real crap sandwich will produce completely unpredictable behaivor.  Well that is what happened.  People are people and well drunk people are drunk people.  I&#039;m no shink but this is bad for the whole cummunity.   Let&#039;s learn from this.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same last name.  I am not amused with any comment about our last name being shamed.  Scott &#8211; you are out of line.  The victim is everyone and no one.  When poor judgement is used by &#8211; well everyone there and add alcohol and weed &#8211; that is a real crap sandwich will produce completely unpredictable behaivor.  Well that is what happened.  People are people and well drunk people are drunk people.  I&#39;m no shink but this is bad for the whole cummunity.   Let&#39;s learn from this.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Tee33</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tee33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me break it down for everyone.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  Drinking and getting drunk of age is not illegal. No action needed.&lt;br&gt;2.  Marijuana is illegal.  Everyone who had or smoked it that night, should have a charge against them including Piechotte from the state and from the school system, likely extending into be fired from their positions as teachers.  Our children need to know their school administration does not support behavior.  I would remove my child from that school system if action is not taken.&lt;br&gt;3.  Sexual Activity with a individual who you are not in an ongoing consensual sexual relationship with who is obviously intoxicated is not illegal, but should be.  Whether one intoxicates themselves or is intoxicated intentionally by another (such as rape drugs), their ability to make a decision about this important area is compromised.  I would like to see laws that reflect this.&lt;br&gt;4.  Drawing on another person&#039;s body is not illegal, although ignorant and immature.  It IS illegal in this situation, although because they were colleagues which is unwanted and unwelcomed sexual stress in Piechotte&#039;s relationships to her colleagues and is CLEARLY the definition of sexual harassment.  I believe if she pursued it under this scope, she would clearly win in any court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me break it down for everyone.</p>
<p>1.  Drinking and getting drunk of age is not illegal. No action needed.<br />2.  Marijuana is illegal.  Everyone who had or smoked it that night, should have a charge against them including Piechotte from the state and from the school system, likely extending into be fired from their positions as teachers.  Our children need to know their school administration does not support behavior.  I would remove my child from that school system if action is not taken.<br />3.  Sexual Activity with a individual who you are not in an ongoing consensual sexual relationship with who is obviously intoxicated is not illegal, but should be.  Whether one intoxicates themselves or is intoxicated intentionally by another (such as rape drugs), their ability to make a decision about this important area is compromised.  I would like to see laws that reflect this.<br />4.  Drawing on another person&#39;s body is not illegal, although ignorant and immature.  It IS illegal in this situation, although because they were colleagues which is unwanted and unwelcomed sexual stress in Piechotte&#39;s relationships to her colleagues and is CLEARLY the definition of sexual harassment.  I believe if she pursued it under this scope, she would clearly win in any court.</p>
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		<title>By: Tee33</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tee33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me break it down for everyone.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  Drinking and getting drunk of age is not illegal. No action needed.&lt;br&gt;2.  Marijuana is illegal.  Everyone who had or smoked it that night, should have a charge against them including Piechotte from the state and from the school system, likely extending into be fired from their positions as teachers.  Our children need to know their school administration does not support behavior.  I would remove my child from that school system if action is not taken.&lt;br&gt;3.  Sexual Activity with a individual who you are not in an ongoing consensual sexual relationship with who is obviously intoxicated is not illegal, but should be.  Whether one intoxicates themselves or is intoxicated intentionally by another (such as rape drugs), their ability to make a decision about this important area is compromised.  I would like to see laws that reflect this.&lt;br&gt;4.  Drawing on another person&#039;s body is not illegal, although ignorant and immature.  It IS illegal in this situation, although because they were colleagues which is unwanted and unwelcomed sexual stress in Piechotte&#039;s relationships to her colleagues and is CLEARLY the definition of sexual harassment.  I believe if she pursued it under this scope, she would clearly win in any court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me break it down for everyone.</p>
<p>1.  Drinking and getting drunk of age is not illegal. No action needed.<br />2.  Marijuana is illegal.  Everyone who had or smoked it that night, should have a charge against them including Piechotte from the state and from the school system, likely extending into be fired from their positions as teachers.  Our children need to know their school administration does not support behavior.  I would remove my child from that school system if action is not taken.<br />3.  Sexual Activity with a individual who you are not in an ongoing consensual sexual relationship with who is obviously intoxicated is not illegal, but should be.  Whether one intoxicates themselves or is intoxicated intentionally by another (such as rape drugs), their ability to make a decision about this important area is compromised.  I would like to see laws that reflect this.<br />4.  Drawing on another person&#39;s body is not illegal, although ignorant and immature.  It IS illegal in this situation, although because they were colleagues which is unwanted and unwelcomed sexual stress in Piechotte&#39;s relationships to her colleagues and is CLEARLY the definition of sexual harassment.  I believe if she pursued it under this scope, she would clearly win in any court.</p>
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		<title>By: cayden_m</title>
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		<dc:creator>cayden_m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is definately not okay. Yes, there were many factors here and drugs shouldn&#039;t not have been used either. But just because someone is drunk doesn&#039;t mean you can do what you like with them....Does it????? How would any woman say &quot; Hey its okay to rape and write on me if I pass out&quot; Lets be honest its not okay. Maybe men should write on each other in this way..Like Stick it in my ass and have big balls pointing down his crack. and circle his mouth and draw a dick next to it....That sounds like love tooooooo (sarcasm) These teachers need to grow up . Thier lack of good judgement as adults who teach children should recognized. They arent in college anymore. They should have some form of discipline. The people commenting on here who think this is okay are just like the teachers who would do this.IMMATURE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is definately not okay. Yes, there were many factors here and drugs shouldn&#39;t not have been used either. But just because someone is drunk doesn&#39;t mean you can do what you like with them&#8230;.Does it????? How would any woman say &#8221; Hey its okay to rape and write on me if I pass out&#8221; Lets be honest its not okay. Maybe men should write on each other in this way..Like Stick it in my ass and have big balls pointing down his crack. and circle his mouth and draw a dick next to it&#8230;.That sounds like love tooooooo (sarcasm) These teachers need to grow up . Thier lack of good judgement as adults who teach children should recognized. They arent in college anymore. They should have some form of discipline. The people commenting on here who think this is okay are just like the teachers who would do this.IMMATURE.</p>
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		<title>By: MoralitySeeker</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/27967/haslett-teacher-reveals-drunk-shaming-by-fellow-employees/comment-page-1#comment-10949</link>
		<dc:creator>MoralitySeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is why men will never take us seriously, and why we will never be equal to men&quot;?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I have to compromise my moral values and condone men&#039;s writing lewd, unwanted messages on a woman&#039;s unconsious body to be taken seriously, I will live my life happily without men&#039;s acceptance.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My experience with men with whom I have worked over many years has been quite the opposite; I cannot imagine that any of my fellow professionals would have, under any circumstances, treated another human being with such disrespect. And, guess what?  I was well-respected by my colleagues because I held myself to a high moral standard and did my job with excellence. (Oh - even though I am a woman, I was an executive.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps the teachers who did this to their female colleague did not mean any harm, but the fact that they were unaware of the gross inappropriateness of their behavior speaks volumes about their moral compasses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not all men are &quot;dumb.&quot;  I have male friends, a husband, son, and son-in-law who treat women (especially strong women with strong values) with respect and are outraged about what happened to Veronica Piechotte.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, how can this NOT be a school district issue?  These people are role models and teachers of our children.  Even if unintentionally, it is possible that they transmit messages through their actions, comments, and perspectives. For example, I know a former HHS student who mentioned recently that the pot-smoking of one of the men involved was well known by students, as were his spoken sexual inunendos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is why men will never take us seriously, and why we will never be equal to men&#8221;?</p>
<p>If I have to compromise my moral values and condone men&#39;s writing lewd, unwanted messages on a woman&#39;s unconsious body to be taken seriously, I will live my life happily without men&#39;s acceptance.</p>
<p>My experience with men with whom I have worked over many years has been quite the opposite; I cannot imagine that any of my fellow professionals would have, under any circumstances, treated another human being with such disrespect. And, guess what?  I was well-respected by my colleagues because I held myself to a high moral standard and did my job with excellence. (Oh &#8211; even though I am a woman, I was an executive.)</p>
<p>Perhaps the teachers who did this to their female colleague did not mean any harm, but the fact that they were unaware of the gross inappropriateness of their behavior speaks volumes about their moral compasses.</p>
<p>Not all men are &#8220;dumb.&#8221;  I have male friends, a husband, son, and son-in-law who treat women (especially strong women with strong values) with respect and are outraged about what happened to Veronica Piechotte.</p>
<p>Finally, how can this NOT be a school district issue?  These people are role models and teachers of our children.  Even if unintentionally, it is possible that they transmit messages through their actions, comments, and perspectives. For example, I know a former HHS student who mentioned recently that the pot-smoking of one of the men involved was well known by students, as were his spoken sexual inunendos.</p>
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		<title>By: MoralitySeeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoralitySeeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that you refer to this woman as a &quot;chick&quot; gives a pretty clear indication of your lack of respect for women in general.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fact that you think this is funny suggests a serious lack of compassion for others.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fact that you resort to making fun of a victim&#039;s name . . .   come on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that you refer to this woman as a &#8220;chick&#8221; gives a pretty clear indication of your lack of respect for women in general.  </p>
<p>The fact that you think this is funny suggests a serious lack of compassion for others.</p>
<p>The fact that you resort to making fun of a victim&#39;s name . . .   come on!</p>
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		<title>By: CrypticMetaphor</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrypticMetaphor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my child were going to a school where teachers smoked pot and drank rediculous amounts of alcohol, than degraded and abused one of their coworkers, you&#039;re damn right I would want to know about it. What happened to this woman was a shame. No one has the right to lay their hands on anyone else&#039;s body without their say so, and that&#039;s the BOTTOM LINE. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about this. I don&#039;t care how close they were, or how drunk she was. They touched her and she didn&#039;t give consent, which lead her to feel victimized because of it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How dare ANY of you try to throw a blanket over this situation just because they were all friends, or because she was drunk. That doesn&#039;t mean a thing in a case like this. The fact that so little was done about this makes me sick. Assault and sexual harassment are exactly what they are, and there is no belittling it just because you think it&#039;s okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my child were going to a school where teachers smoked pot and drank rediculous amounts of alcohol, than degraded and abused one of their coworkers, you&#39;re damn right I would want to know about it. What happened to this woman was a shame. No one has the right to lay their hands on anyone else&#39;s body without their say so, and that&#39;s the BOTTOM LINE. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about this. I don&#39;t care how close they were, or how drunk she was. They touched her and she didn&#39;t give consent, which lead her to feel victimized because of it.</p>
<p>How dare ANY of you try to throw a blanket over this situation just because they were all friends, or because she was drunk. That doesn&#39;t mean a thing in a case like this. The fact that so little was done about this makes me sick. Assault and sexual harassment are exactly what they are, and there is no belittling it just because you think it&#39;s okay.</p>
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		<title>By: kwj</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds as if you really look up to these teachers and that could be a big problem.  If you think they are justified in their actions you may think that it is ok for you.  They did not &quot;seem the sort&quot;, but they are.  Teachers are suppossed to be good role models in hopes that they teach the right things to their students by their actions.  The opposite happened here and I just hope that you see that and act accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds as if you really look up to these teachers and that could be a big problem.  If you think they are justified in their actions you may think that it is ok for you.  They did not &#8220;seem the sort&#8221;, but they are.  Teachers are suppossed to be good role models in hopes that they teach the right things to their students by their actions.  The opposite happened here and I just hope that you see that and act accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: pennylane1</title>
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		<dc:creator>pennylane1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is blaming the victim.  She is an adult who makes her own decisions.  Good or bad, every decision has consequences.  Yes, it was wrong to draw on her body while she was unconscious.  But it was also wrong of her to drink herself into a blackout.  Regardless, all involved, including the victim, should be fired.  What kind of example are they setting for their students?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is blaming the victim.  She is an adult who makes her own decisions.  Good or bad, every decision has consequences.  Yes, it was wrong to draw on her body while she was unconscious.  But it was also wrong of her to drink herself into a blackout.  Regardless, all involved, including the victim, should be fired.  What kind of example are they setting for their students?</p>
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