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	<title>Comments on: Hard times drive more Michiganders to fish for food</title>
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		<title>By: markymarc</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/23672/hard-times-drive-more-michiganders-to-fish-for-food/comment-page-1#comment-17609</link>
		<dc:creator>markymarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Mirandawest!!  Are you going to let michaelgowell talk to you like that!!?  He&#039;s attacking your credibility by saying that he&#039;s got MORE credibility than you!  Oh, Snap!  You need to be a real man (or woman as the case may be) and give him (or her as the case may be) the &quot;what for&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;if there&#039;s one thing that I can&#039;t stand, that&#039;s when some online news article commenter tries to tell me he knows more than me.  And, by golly, i would be MAN enough (or again woman enough as the case may be) to defend my integrity, my intelligence, my credibility, my honor against such heinous attacks.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I mean REALLY.  Is there no decency among men (or women as the case may be) anymore?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Talk about CHILDISH behavior!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Mirandawest!!  Are you going to let michaelgowell talk to you like that!!?  He&#39;s attacking your credibility by saying that he&#39;s got MORE credibility than you!  Oh, Snap!  You need to be a real man (or woman as the case may be) and give him (or her as the case may be) the &#8220;what for&#8221;.</p>
<p>if there&#39;s one thing that I can&#39;t stand, that&#39;s when some online news article commenter tries to tell me he knows more than me.  And, by golly, i would be MAN enough (or again woman enough as the case may be) to defend my integrity, my intelligence, my credibility, my honor against such heinous attacks.  </p>
<p>I mean REALLY.  Is there no decency among men (or women as the case may be) anymore?  </p>
<p>Talk about CHILDISH behavior!</p>
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		<title>By: markymarc</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/23672/hard-times-drive-more-michiganders-to-fish-for-food/comment-page-1#comment-11618</link>
		<dc:creator>markymarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Mirandawest!!  Are you going to let michaelgowell talk to you like that!!?  He&#039;s attacking your credibility by saying that he&#039;s got MORE credibility than you!  Oh, Snap!  You need to be a real man (or woman as the case may be) and give him (or her as the case may be) the &quot;what for&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;if there&#039;s one thing that I can&#039;t stand, that&#039;s when some online news article commenter tries to tell me he knows more than me.  And, by golly, i would be MAN enough (or again woman enough as the case may be) to defend my integrity, my intelligence, my credibility, my honor against such heinous attacks.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I mean REALLY.  Is there no decency among men (or women as the case may be) anymore?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Talk about CHILDISH behavior!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Mirandawest!!  Are you going to let michaelgowell talk to you like that!!?  He&#39;s attacking your credibility by saying that he&#39;s got MORE credibility than you!  Oh, Snap!  You need to be a real man (or woman as the case may be) and give him (or her as the case may be) the &#8220;what for&#8221;.</p>
<p>if there&#39;s one thing that I can&#39;t stand, that&#39;s when some online news article commenter tries to tell me he knows more than me.  And, by golly, i would be MAN enough (or again woman enough as the case may be) to defend my integrity, my intelligence, my credibility, my honor against such heinous attacks.  </p>
<p>I mean REALLY.  Is there no decency among men (or women as the case may be) anymore?  </p>
<p>Talk about CHILDISH behavior!</p>
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		<title>By: markymarc</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/23672/hard-times-drive-more-michiganders-to-fish-for-food/comment-page-1#comment-8006</link>
		<dc:creator>markymarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Mirandawest!!  Are you going to let michaelgowell talk to you like that!!?  He&#039;s attacking your credibility by saying that he&#039;s got MORE credibility than you!  Oh, Snap!  You need to be a real man (or woman as the case may be) and give him (or her as the case may be) the &quot;what for&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;if there&#039;s one thing that I can&#039;t stand, that&#039;s when some online news article commenter tries to tell me he knows more than me.  And, by golly, i would be MAN enough (or again woman enough as the case may be) to defend my integrity, my intelligence, my credibility, my honor against such heinous attacks.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I mean REALLY.  Is there no decency among men (or women as the case may be) anymore?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Talk about CHILDISH behavior!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Mirandawest!!  Are you going to let michaelgowell talk to you like that!!?  He&#39;s attacking your credibility by saying that he&#39;s got MORE credibility than you!  Oh, Snap!  You need to be a real man (or woman as the case may be) and give him (or her as the case may be) the &#8220;what for&#8221;.</p>
<p>if there&#39;s one thing that I can&#39;t stand, that&#39;s when some online news article commenter tries to tell me he knows more than me.  And, by golly, i would be MAN enough (or again woman enough as the case may be) to defend my integrity, my intelligence, my credibility, my honor against such heinous attacks.  </p>
<p>I mean REALLY.  Is there no decency among men (or women as the case may be) anymore?  </p>
<p>Talk about CHILDISH behavior!</p>
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		<title>By: N1P</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/23672/hard-times-drive-more-michiganders-to-fish-for-food/comment-page-1#comment-7993</link>
		<dc:creator>N1P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.michigan.gov/documents/FishAdvisory03_67354_7.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.michigan.gov/documents/FishAdvisory0...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best to brush up on the facts</description>
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<p>Best to brush up on the facts</p>
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		<title>By: imagebarer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Obama is planning to cut Medicare by $35B, this might be a good thing.  With all the baby boomers soon joining Medicare and Obama cutting it, they will have to start euthanising our seniors.  Instead of giving them the drugs to do that, or instead of keeping them from getting health care, Obama can feed them the contaminated fish.  It probably would be cheaper than euthanasia and less painful for those they want to get off of Medicare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Obama is planning to cut Medicare by $35B, this might be a good thing.  With all the baby boomers soon joining Medicare and Obama cutting it, they will have to start euthanising our seniors.  Instead of giving them the drugs to do that, or instead of keeping them from getting health care, Obama can feed them the contaminated fish.  It probably would be cheaper than euthanasia and less painful for those they want to get off of Medicare.</p>
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		<title>By: michaelgowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>michaelgowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know from holding a Maine netting license - I use small stationary gill nets checked each tide - and from 40 years of residence in a fishing port.  Let me remind you of a fairly recent ad campaign by a manufacturer of dragged &quot;rock hopper&quot; nets  - &quot;With these the fish have no place to hide.&quot;  That&#039;s the inherent assumption of dragging - take everything and devil take the hindmost .  Dragging helped crash the North Atlantic fisheries.  Dragging trawl nets is like fishing for trout with hand grenades.  Dragging is stupid old technology - check out the northern European hook fishery to see where things are heading.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And your &quot;observer on every boat&quot;...what BS.  The fisheries guys can&#039;t even manage to keep one guy on duty at each of the landing docks, let alone one on each boat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know from holding a Maine netting license &#8211; I use small stationary gill nets checked each tide &#8211; and from 40 years of residence in a fishing port.  Let me remind you of a fairly recent ad campaign by a manufacturer of dragged &#8220;rock hopper&#8221; nets  &#8211; &#8220;With these the fish have no place to hide.&#8221;  That&#39;s the inherent assumption of dragging &#8211; take everything and devil take the hindmost .  Dragging helped crash the North Atlantic fisheries.  Dragging trawl nets is like fishing for trout with hand grenades.  Dragging is stupid old technology &#8211; check out the northern European hook fishery to see where things are heading.</p>
<p>And your &#8220;observer on every boat&#8221;&#8230;what BS.  The fisheries guys can&#39;t even manage to keep one guy on duty at each of the landing docks, let alone one on each boat.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in northern Indiana, as close to Michigan as you can get. I grew up on trot-line caught fish, and my extended family STILL eats about 20% of their diet from the rivers. I&#039;m healthy in my 50&#039;s and my aunts and uncles haven&#039;t died yet...well into their 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s. I still enjoy the fish fries when we get together. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I got a BS in Biology in the 70&#039;s and have really been entertained by the &#039;fear this&#039; media and their cutesy stories about poisonous fish caught and eaten. I personally will not fear the fish from my local streams unless the advisories quote the species tested and the place from which they were taken, by river and by location on that river. Many, many of the written advisories are just passed on, recycled news stories taken out of context and clearly designed to scare us. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m NOT saying be ignorant, but rather, be INFORMED. Look for the specifics. Heed the specific and credibly supported articles and learn to spot the recycled bull-oney. If an article appears that warns about fish and it does NOT include &quot;caught exactly from THIS stretch of THAT river, by name,&quot; AND it does NOT include &quot;exacltly WHAT lab did the test and WHAT toxins in EXACTLY THESE concentrations,&quot; then it is likely bull-oney. You don&#039;t have to know everything to avoid being driven before the bull-oneyistic cattle drivers. Just ask yourself if you&#039;d pay money for the information being peddled.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many people will state that we the public don&#039;t have the capacity to understand the specifics. Maybe that is so, but I maintain that far, far more DO have that capacity, and even those who do not are not necessarily too ignorant to spot a scam when they see it coming. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One last thing to bear in mind. A fish in the skillet, even if poisonous in the long term, won&#039;t necessarily kill you as fast as starvation or the illnesses of malnutrition that come to the poorly nourished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in northern Indiana, as close to Michigan as you can get. I grew up on trot-line caught fish, and my extended family STILL eats about 20% of their diet from the rivers. I&#39;m healthy in my 50&#39;s and my aunts and uncles haven&#39;t died yet&#8230;well into their 70&#39;s and 80&#39;s. I still enjoy the fish fries when we get together. </p>
<p>I got a BS in Biology in the 70&#39;s and have really been entertained by the &#39;fear this&#39; media and their cutesy stories about poisonous fish caught and eaten. I personally will not fear the fish from my local streams unless the advisories quote the species tested and the place from which they were taken, by river and by location on that river. Many, many of the written advisories are just passed on, recycled news stories taken out of context and clearly designed to scare us. </p>
<p>I&#39;m NOT saying be ignorant, but rather, be INFORMED. Look for the specifics. Heed the specific and credibly supported articles and learn to spot the recycled bull-oney. If an article appears that warns about fish and it does NOT include &#8220;caught exactly from THIS stretch of THAT river, by name,&#8221; AND it does NOT include &#8220;exacltly WHAT lab did the test and WHAT toxins in EXACTLY THESE concentrations,&#8221; then it is likely bull-oney. You don&#39;t have to know everything to avoid being driven before the bull-oneyistic cattle drivers. Just ask yourself if you&#39;d pay money for the information being peddled.</p>
<p>Many people will state that we the public don&#39;t have the capacity to understand the specifics. Maybe that is so, but I maintain that far, far more DO have that capacity, and even those who do not are not necessarily too ignorant to spot a scam when they see it coming. </p>
<p>One last thing to bear in mind. A fish in the skillet, even if poisonous in the long term, won&#39;t necessarily kill you as fast as starvation or the illnesses of malnutrition that come to the poorly nourished.</p>
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		<title>By: mirandawest</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/23672/hard-times-drive-more-michiganders-to-fish-for-food/comment-page-1#comment-7942</link>
		<dc:creator>mirandawest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t talk about trawl fishing when all you know is from predjudiced old Eco videos. Trawl fishing today is highly regulated, caught with specialized nets, in clean deep ocean waters, with fish observers on every boat. Try finding out instead of spouting false info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t talk about trawl fishing when all you know is from predjudiced old Eco videos. Trawl fishing today is highly regulated, caught with specialized nets, in clean deep ocean waters, with fish observers on every boat. Try finding out instead of spouting false info.</p>
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		<title>By: justwatchin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justwatchin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe here in michigan we are out of work and I don&#039;t know what you do when you are out of work , I fish as I did not have time when I had a job. Hell I don&#039;t even like  eating fish period but I sure like catching then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe here in michigan we are out of work and I don&#39;t know what you do when you are out of work , I fish as I did not have time when I had a job. Hell I don&#39;t even like  eating fish period but I sure like catching then.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew_Arnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew_Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops. There you go. Everything I know about fishing I learned from reading the labels on cans of tuna at Food Hole. Guess I meant &quot;Line caught&quot; then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops. There you go. Everything I know about fishing I learned from reading the labels on cans of tuna at Food Hole. Guess I meant &#8220;Line caught&#8221; then.</p>
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