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By Eartha Jane Melzer | 06.29.09 | 5:00 pm

This past weekend's Open Carry Picnic in Traverse City. (Photo by Eartha Jane Melzer/Michigan Messenger)

This past weekend's Open Carry Picnic in Traverse City. (Photo by Eartha Jane Melzer/Michigan Messenger)

 

TRAVERSE CITY — Around 50 people, many of them men openly carrying loaded handguns, gathered in a local park over the weekend for a cookout billed as educational outreach on gun owners’ rights.

Participants in the “Open Carry Picnic” ate hot dogs and chips while wearing holstered hand guns at Sunset Park off the West Arm of Grand Traverse Bay. As children played on the merry-go-round and tourists cruised the lakefront, the gathering was quiet but showed some signs of tension. One group of men sat around a flag hung upside-down and at half mast.

The day after Barack Obama was elected president in November, a local gun store, Hampel’s, flew an American flag upside down. Employee Rod Nyland, told a reporter for the Traverse City Record-Eagle “… we feel our country is in distress because the n—– got in.”

Nyland later apologized and was fired for his comment, but anger and fear by white conservatives have contributed to a sharp uptick in sales of weapons and ammo and applications for concealed carry permits.

According to the Michigan State Police, more than 243,000 applications for concealed weapons permits were received by county clerks across Michigan during the first five months of the year.

Brian Jeffs, president of Michigan Open Carry Inc., a non-profit organization designed to educate the public and law enforcement on the lawfulness of openly carrying firearms, said that anyone with a concealed weapon carry permit may also openly carry their weapon, though not in a bank, church, court, theater, sports arena, day-care center, hospital or places that sell liquor.

Public fear of guns is irrational, he said.

“People who don’t like guns are like sheep,” he said, “and people who carry guns are like sheep dogs.”

Skip Coryell, author of “Blood in the Streets: Concealed Carry and the OK Corral: Overcoming the Lies” attended the Traverse City event as an organizer for the Second Amendment March on the nation’s capital. In a presentation to the picnickers Coryell described the planned 2010 event as a “Million Man with Gun March.” He handed out fliers describing the march as aiming “to galvanize the courage and resolve of American gun owners.”

Coryell, a longtime gun owner, said he was “kind of disappointed” when no one seemed to notice that he had begun openly carrying his pistol while grocery shopping.

“I don’t want people to be afraid of me,” he said. “I want to show off my gun.”

“I think the message they are sending is wrong for a lot of people who don’t have a mind of their own,“ said Leo Gabier, a Korean War veteran and Traverse City resident who came out to protest the event carrying a sign “Ban Automatic Weapons.”

“Those weapons can give us a sense of power and that’s bad.”

Gabier said that a local talk radio station, the Norm Jones Show on 103.5 FM. had promoted the gun event. “These people are hateful and they want to divide the country,” Gabier said. “They shouldn’t be picnicking in a public park with loaded weapons.”

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  • drtodd

    Leave it to a reporter to get the information wrong:

    Brian Jeffs, president of Michigan Open Carry Inc., a non-profit organization designed to educate the public and law enforcement on the lawfulness of openly carrying firearms, said that anyone with a concealed weapon carry permit may also openly carry their weapon, though not in a bank, church, court, theater, sports arena, day-care center, hospital or places that sell liquor.

    Actually:

    Any person 18 and older may carry a registered handgun as long as they are not prohibited by law.

    Any person with a CPL may carry a pistol openly in the Pistol Free Zones, except a court and a casino.

  • Raptor88

    I wonder if Brian Jeffs, president of Michigan Open Carry Inc., is in favour of displaying the american flag in distress on halfmast to support his opinions.
    (Does he have one in his frontyard ?)
    Also the idea of 50 armed people in a public park, gathering around a symbol to overthrow the government should rise some concern.
    And, Yes ! – most terrorist groups are non-profit organizations too….

    • yourhuckleberry33

      Where were you when William Ayers, Obama's terrorist friend and supporter who bombed government buildings and said they had not done enough, stood on and trampled the American flag. Obama has already begun the overthrow of the government. Where is you outrage about his socialist agenda? Are you one of Oakbama's acorns?

      • johnadams1

        He was standing in th same “Amen” corner as he was when Clinton pardoned the Puerto Rican Terrorists.

    • johnadams1

      Oh my dear 'Raptor', how very clever to associate supporters of the bill of rights with terrorists. I suppose next it will be child molesters or whatever other demento's becom the new Salem witches. How sad for us and good for you that in our society as we grope for newer levels of decadence, that the accusation carries the weight of truth until adequately defended. Hey, didn't we decide a couple hundred years ago that we didn't like that kind of society? By the way Rap' I never felt safer in a group of people in my life. We even fed a homeless guy!!

  • Brian_Jeffs

    That flag, one of many displayed that day, was stuck upright in a knot-hole of that tree and fell over. It was not on a pole upside down or at half staff. The flag was uprighted when noticed later.

    We had over 200 people come and go with no issues.

    Without a CPL or without permission you can not possess a firearm in a church, bank, a court, a theatre, a sports arena, a day care, a hospital or any place that has a Michigan Liquor license. If you have a CPL you can carry in thoses places but only openly, not concealed.

    I do fly an american flag in my yard and would be happy to discuss flag etiquette with you anytime.

    If you would like any more information on open carry go to http://www.miopencarry.org

    Thanks,
    Brian Jeffs, President
    Michigan Open Carry, Inc.

  • TJJackson

    The US flag flown upside down signals that the ship is been over run by pirates, I.E. distress. If you consider the math, what is going on in Washington D.C. and other areas of this country, we seem to be over run with pirates. this is a statement he is making, like you, protected by the 1st ammendment. Deal with it.

    • johnadams1

      Amazing how when the first ammendment is used by the fifth column to run down America that the constitution is written indelibly in stone. BUT, when it comes to our second ammendment rights it is a “living breathing document that must change and evolve with the times”, The hypocrisy is nauseating.
      By the way TJ, youre spot on about the pirates, and it's just beginning.

  • TEEBONICUS

    Brian –

    You can carry with a permit, openly, in a COURT?

    Given that even 'liberal' CCW states uniformly prohibit carry of firearms in courts by non-LEO personnel, I find that astonishing.

    Are you sure?

    • johnadams1

      You certainly may NOT carry in court. Before you freak get your facts straight and not just from some blog.

  • Irish_Wake

    I do not and can not feel safer just because more people carry weapons. This is akin to assuring me I am safer if more people carry heart defibrillators. Without the necessary training, both pieces of equipment are more likely to be unused, or used incorrectly. Faulty logic may reassure those that are trying to convince me, but it only underscores my misgivings.

    It is not a constitutional issue, but a regulatory one. There are rules defining the responsibilities incumbent upon the rights of the citizen.

    As for the sheep comment, if I may quote Mr. Coryell, who said he was “kind of disappointed” when no one seemed to notice that he had begun openly carrying his pistol while grocery shopping. I recognize this adolescent behavior from the teenagers I see at the mall.

    I enjoy marksmanship; I am not anti-gun. I have no problem with you carrying a weapon. You have that right. I just find your arguments reinforce the reasoning behind the existing laws outlining your responsibilities

  • johnadams1

    Oh where do I begin? That is half the problem when tere is so much misinformation around. First it most ceratinly is a Constitutional issue and I'd be interested in hearing from you about your bona fidis as a person that enjoys “marksmanship”, that seems to bethe latest offering from the Trojan Horse crowd on the left. This also isn't an issue of lib vs. cons ervative. I have a gay family member and her partner both asked me to reload ammo for them because they were nervouse about the state of the government and afraid of a general government take over of the economy etc and what that might mean. Space is too short to go into their entire political philosophy but I assure you these are no freinds of Republicans let alone Right Wing extremists. Too bad voters aren't vetted the same as CPL holdrs are, thien you really would have change, and not like OBY preaches.

    • Irish_Wake

      Since there is no discussion of depriving the population of firearms, I find the loud indignation of some folks counterproductive to an intelligent discussion. There is discussion of who can carry handguns, and where they may carry them; this is why we have handgun regulation. This is the issue.

      My comment of “marksmanship” was to assure discussion participants that I am not a gun foe. I own 2 rifles and a shotgun. My Trojan Horse is armed.

      I have no interest in your family's sexual orientation, and it bears no relation to the argument. Likewise liberal, conservative, Republicans and other Rightwingers: irrelevant to the argument.

      The idea that a handgun will dissuade the government from economic takeover is…interesting. Is it related to the home protection sales pitch I get at the gun store? The officer that taught my handgun permit class demonstrated how chambering a shell in 12 ga. semi-auto is more persuasive that a handgun.

      I tried to relate why I am undecided on this issue. I apologize if my questioning has made you uncomfortable or defensive.

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  • TEEBONICUS

    johnadams1 –

    I was resonding with an incredulous question about this statement, posted by the president of Michigan Open Carry, Inc. :

    “Without a CPL or without permission you can not possess a firearm in a church, bank, a court, a theatre, a sports arena, a day care, a hospital or any place that has a Michigan Liquor license. If you have a CPL you can carry in thoses places but only openly, not concealed.”

    That plainly states that without a permit you can't carry in the listed places, but with one, you CAN as long as you carry openly.

    Now, sir, your response to my post was not only rude and condescending, but misleading as well – I merely asked a question of the poster, one who by virtue of his position in a prominent advocay group, should certainly know what he's talking about. In no way did I state or imply that I took it as gospel, verbatim. Either you are careless, or your reading comprehesion skills are in need of remedial training.

    Have a nice day.

    • Brian_Jeffs

      My mistake. Let me clarify, .234d states that you can not have a firearm in a court. IF you have a CPL a court is not a restrictive place. And .234d exempts a CPL holder in all of the places prohibited in that statute. A Michigan Supreme Court administrative rule bans firearms from court rooms. It is not a law. The charge for a CPL holder having a firearm is contempt of court. There was a charge made in Wayne County a few months ago and I believe is being challenged as unlawful. We shall see what the results will be after any legal actions are exhausted

      At this time it is advised not to carry a handgun into any court room.

  • nsxwolf

    This is an outrage! How many people were shot at this picnic?!

    • Brian_Jeffs

      I don't know for sure, but I think the number was zero.

    • Robert_Serratos

      None, of course. You don't seriously think that a crime could possibly occur at such a gathering, do you? Gun owners are the most extraordinarily law-abiding group in America, being 14 times less likely to commit a crime as the general public.

      And even if someone might've wanted to commit a crime, you can't do so when everyone around you is armed.

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