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By Staff Report | 11.16.11

I am writing today to announce the closure of the Michigan Messenger. After four years of operation in Michigan, the board of the American Independent News Network, has decided to shift publication of its news into a single site, The American Independent at Americanindependent.com. This is part of a shift in strategy, towards new forms [...]

Colorado-based abstinence program provided false and misleading information to Michigan students

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By Todd A. Heywood | 11.16.11

An abstinence-only presentation provided to numerous school districts in Calhoun and Eaton Counties in October of this year provided false and misleading information to students about HIV, experts allege.

Class action lawsuit filed against MERS over unpaid taxes

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By Todd A. Heywood | 11.15.11

Two county registers of deeds filed a class action lawsuit Monday on behalf of Michigan’s 83 counties alleging that the Mortgage Electronic Registration Services owes millions of dollars in property title transfer taxes.

Schuette fights important mercury regulations

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By Eartha Jane Melzer | 11.14.11

Despite evidence of the impact of mercury on children and public health, Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette last month joined with 24 other state attorneys general in filing a lawsuit to scuttle new EPA regulations that would reduce mercury emissions from power plants.

Dueling gay identity events highlight change in Grand Rapids

By Ed Brayton | 06.10.09 | 12:36 am

lwo-twoWhen Love Won Out, an ex-gay ministry that teaches that people can overcome their homosexuality through prayer and therapy, scheduled a one-day conference at Sunshine Community Church in Grand Rapids for this Saturday, it’s likely that few were surprised. The Grand Rapids area has traditionally been a conservative and deeply religious community that has never been considered terribly friendly to gay rights advocates and their supporters.

But organizers of a competing one-day event at Grand Valley State University, “Religion and Homophobia: Spiritual Violence in our Community,” say that sentiments are changing quickly in Grand Rapids and they wanted to offer a different voice — one that tells gays and lesbians that it’s OK to be who they are.

The Grand Rapids area is currently in the middle of an “ongoing conversation” about gay identity and gay rights, according to Colette Seguin Beighley, assistant director of the LGBT Resource Center at GVSU. “We learned that the Love Won Out conference was coming to town and wanted to offer another part of the conversation,” she told Michigan Messenger in an interview.

GVSU has had a troubled history on gay rights and equality issues. In 2000, when the university first considered offering benefits to the partners of gay and lesbian couples as most universities do, religious conservatives in the community killed the plan. The efforts to oppose those benefits was led by Amway co-founder Rich DeVos, a major contributor and former board member at the university.

Ironically, it is DeVos that sparked the current dialogue on gay rights issues in the Grand Rapids area when he gave an interview to The Grand Rapids Press a few weeks ago where the issue of same-sex marriage came up. In that interview, DeVos underscored his opposition to same-sex marriage and warned the gay community: “Don’t ask for a concession on the marriage issue,” DeVos continued, saying marriage isn’t “vital to them” the way it is to straight people.

That statement sparked a huge flood of comments on the newspaper’s website. The response from readers was so overwhelming that The Press published a second article the next day just to highlight some of the comments and to look at DeVos’ history of supporting groups against same-sex marriage. DeVos has given hundreds of thousands of dollars to organizations fighting same-sex marriage in Michigan and around the country.

Beighley said the dialogue within the Grand Rapids community sparked by DeVos’ comments highlights the importance of this week’s events. “This is an ongoing conversation in Grand Rapids and on our campus,” she said. “Certainly, the LGBT community has not found a welcome home in Grand Rapids, however the tide is changing. The conversation volume has been turned up recently.”

Public opinion on gay rights issues such as same-sex marriage have shifted tremendously in the last few years. Although Michigan passed a referendum banning same-sex marriage and civil unions in 2004 with 59 percent of the vote, a recent poll showed that only five years later, 64 percent of Michigan voters now support either same-sex marriage or civil unions for gays and lesbians.

Only a small percentage of the population now supports the position of Focus on the Family, the Colorado-based group sponsoring the Love Won Out event that rejects both same-sex marriage and civil unions for gays and lesbians.

Beighley said that her organization had not received any significant backlash to the event so far, but the office of Jeanne Arnold, GVSU’s vice president for inclusion and equity, was inundated with phone calls Tuesday morning after Focus on the Family sent out an “action alert” urging their members to call her office and demand that they add one of the Love Won Out speakers to the Thursday night event.

Because the GVSU panel discussion was scheduled specifically to counter the Love Won Out conference at the local church, the messages heard at the two events could scarcely be more different.

Melissa Fryrear, director of the gender issues department for Focus on the Family, said in an interview that her organization’s event is aimed at the parents of gays and lesbians who do not approve of their child’s homosexuality and that they try to counter messages of gay approval.

“Our attendees are inundated in the culture with a predominately only gay-affirming perspective and their religious beliefs don’t condone homosexual behavior,” said Fryrear, “so that’s why they’re especially interested in a conservative, Biblically orthodox perspective on issues related to homosexuality.”

Many of the speakers at the Love Won Out event claim to be former homosexuals themselves and they advocate what is often called “gay reversion therapy” to help people who feel “trapped by their same-sex attractions” to conform to what Fryrear calls the “Biblical sexual ethic” which only condones “sexual behavior between a man and a woman within marriage.”

The GVSU event, on the other hand, will feature Wayne Besen, founder of Truth Wins Out, an organization that seeks to counter the message of the ex-gay movement and educate the public about gay life. Besen’s group argues that attempts to change someone’s sexual orientation are “patently offensive, discriminatory by definition, theologically shaky, uniformly unsuccessful and medically unsound.”

While Fryrear said that Love Won Out focuses on helping parents “understand how to uphold their Biblical convictions about homosexual behavior while having a loving relationship with their sons and daughters,” Besen said Focus on the Family’s real agenda is primarily about convincing gay people that being gay is an abomination and that they must suppress who they are.

“Love Won Out uses fear and guilt to shame people into trying to pray away the gay,” said Besen. “Their methods are dangerous and rejected by every respected medical and mental health organization in the nation.” He said Focus on the Family “refuses to show healthy, happy gay people who lead rich and fulfilling lives. Instead they falsely portray gay people as uniformly miserable, sexually broken rejects. What they do is dishonest, unethical and presents a skewed view of gay and lesbian people.”

Comments

  • Trajan8

    A very interesting article. Thanks for the good, fair read.

  • asample

    What we really need rather than two competing events is a continuing dialogue– not a heated debate, but a dialogue. One of the chief problems occurs when people pigeonhole others into two monolithic groups sustained by stereotypes and prejudices.

    Not all “gays” are liberal Democrats who wear leather and have rainbow flags.

    Not all “Christians” are right-wing Republicans who believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God but only know a couple verses from Leviticus.

    Until we can relate to people as individuals with unique stories and situations, the dialogue is at a standstill.

    • DnlSquires

      I don't know how right or effective this program may be, but I do believe that Christians who condemn homosexuality and lesbianism have valid authority based on the teachings in the New Testament, not just the laws of the Old. You seem to have classified the Christian who condemns homosexuality as knowing only a couple verses in Leviticus, might I suggest the following New Testament verses for your consideration?

      concerning those who practice and support homosexuality
      Romans 1: 27+32
      the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
      Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

      …notice that it says they know God's decree, and still give approval to those who practice this “alternative” lifestyle.

      concerning whether homosexuality is a practice you can be delivered from:

      1 Cor. 6:9-11
      do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?. . . nor men who practice homosexuality, . . . and such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

      notice, that it says among other things some of the Corinthian believers were former homosexuals

      Concerning those who profess to be Christians and yet support or practice the homosexual lifestyle:
      Jude v.3-4
      I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

      It is not that we are ignorant of the Word of God, rather we are alert to the devices of the Deceiver, and making the things that God calls abominable acceptable to those who would claim to be children of God is simply another means of using a lie to draw men away from salvation unto destruction.

      • Trajan8

        I find it interesting that your three sources are all from the same writer. It's clear that Paul was anti-homosexual. But seriously, who the hell is Paul? He never heard the words of Jesus. He claims that God came to him in a dream, and suddenly his opinions are given more credence than the actual followers of Jesus. Paul was a great marketer, able to spread the religion to the non-Jews, but his idea of the religion was no where near what the true apostles felt. And maybe it's just me, but I would trust the people who actually knew Jesus before caring what Paul's opinion on the matter.

        Jesus was the teacher. So I ask you where he teaches that homosexuality is an abomination? Unless you want to change the religion to Paulianity, follow what Jesus said.

        • DnlSquires

          I believe that you have gotten off topic. That being said, let me reply
          briefly to your question. Jesus adhered strictly to the Old Testament (see
          Matt. 5:17). He could regularly be found quoting from books that clearly
          condemn homosexuality. He also claimed that everything He said or did came
          directly from God. Since we must assume that this is the God of the Old
          Testament who called homosexuality an abomination, we can rightly assume
          that this was also Jesus opinion of that matter. Jesus came to die so
          that men would have a chance to be forgiven and made right in the eyes of a
          holy God. He did not die so that men would be able to justify themselves and
          their choices in direct defiance of what God had said.

          As a side note, Paul did not write the book of Jude. I would also consider 1
          Peter 4 as a confirming testimony to what Paul had written.

          • gaychristian

            DhnlSquires you are saying that because Jesus quoted one part of the Old Testament, this somehow says that he had an opinion on all the parts of the Old Testament AND that his opinion was exactly the same as it was written in the Old Testament according to your own interpretation of what it means.

            Using your argument then, consider this:
            In the old testament if a child were to steal the Levitical code said that his or her hand should be cut off. Don't see the American Family Association advocating for that do we? In the old testament people were not allowed to wear garments made of different materials. Does this mean the 50% cotton/polyester blend t-shirts sold on Focus on the Family's web site are an abomination? In the old testament money is not to be lent at interest to your brethern. But do we see Focus on the Family attacking the abuses of credit card companies with as much fury as their attack on gay people? Nope. And why is that? Because they are cherry picking the Bible to support the one thing their hate group wishes to promote – fear, mininformation, propaganda and discrimination against gay people in an attempt to make it acceptable and mainstream. They have hijacked the word of God and are driving it backwards.

            In the old testament atonement was achieved by sacrificing animals. As Christians are we then supposed to continue sacrificing animals to get into God's good graces? Absolutely not! God so gave the world his only Son so that they might have eternal life. That's John 3:16. And John 3:17 reads, God did not send His Son into the world to condemn but to save. Jesus said, ” This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.” Jesus had a new way of doing things, not relying on the Levitical codes to set God's people apart but that the difference would be manifested by receiving God's grace not by what we do or don't do but by what God does through Christ. Jesus did come so that all might live as forgiven people as you state above. But you can't go on saying this in one paragraph and then try to convince anyone that there is an exception to that rule when it comes to gay people, saying that for them, the distorted interpretation of the Old Testament still applies.

          • gaychristian

            If Jesus adhered so strictly to the Old Testament, then why did he pick wheat on the Sabbath?

          • DnlSquires

            After praying and seeking God concerning what you have said, I am choosing
            to respond to only one statement that you made.(1 Pet.3:15) “My God is a
            loving God who says that no matter who you are or where you are on life's
            journey you are welcome just as you are into God's Kingdom.”
            It is true that God saves different people at different times. He may bring
            one to salvation as a child, and another may receive Christ in a prison cell
            after committing horrendous crimes against society.(1 Cor.1:26-31) He does
            not leave that person the way He found them however.(2 Cor.3:17-18) Through
            the wonderful process known as sanctification, God begins to restore a man
            to his original design.(1 Thess.5:23,
            Titus 2:14) Once redeemed the man is not only changed by God, but has a
            desire to conform to God's standards and walk in God's ways. Every true
            child of God seeks to please God by obeying Him.(2 Cor.5:14-15) There are
            desires within a man that contradict God's desires for him, but as he daily
            yields them to the only one who can bear these burdens, he will find that
            his desires decrease and are replaced by the desires that originate in the
            heart of God.(Heb.9:26-28,Gal.5:24-25) God did not design nor does he
            condone homosexual relations. God laid down the pattern for sexuality, as he
            laid down the pattern for everything, in the beginning. He has not changed
            or conformed his standards to meet the desires of man's hearts.(Matt.19:4-5)
            His desire is to transform those desires so that they realign with His
            original design.
            (2 Thes.1:11-12) God loves you because you are one of His creations, but He
            is holy. Through salvation He enables a man to follow the original design
            that He laid out, not the things that are a result of man's fallen nature.(2
            Tim.1:9) It would be just as out of place to say that God redeems a man but
            leaves him to continue in a false religion as to say that God redeems a man
            but leaves him to continue in whatever sexual behavior seems or
            feels best.(John17:19,Heb.2:11) God's way will not be for everyone, the road
            into God's kingdom is narrow and few find it, but do not make God out to be
            extremely inclusive and willing to “wink” at those things that He has
            formerly condemned.(Acts17:30,Rom.3:19) If this is your god, he is not the
            God, but a god of your own making who allows you to continue in those things
            that you consider right.
            (1 Pet.1:14-17) I will pray for you and all those who have similar beliefs.
            God has a specific group of people that He has formed through the ages into
            a single body known as the bride of Christ. Each member in that body
            has sought to live their life for God and not themselves, and has adhered to
            his way and not their own desires. God knows those who are His own, and He
            will transform them into the people He created them to be.

          • gaychristian

            Having trouble responding to the other points I suppose. I'll pray for you too, so that you can come to realize all the pain your current misinterpretation of God's Word brings to so many people. If not, gee you're gonna be surprised when you see me in heaven.

          • OTRDriver

            you mean when she/he is standing behind you and fails to inherent a place in Heaven?

          • gaychristian

            it doesn't quite go that way.

          • OTRDriver

            Hey I was on your side, but anyway tell me….. just how does it go????? I'd love to read it….

          • gaychristian

            I think I misread what you meant by the word inherent. Apologies.

      • gaychristian

        You are misinterpreting the meaning of Romans 1:27 as well as these other verses. Sodom and Gommorrah were punished for the sin of inhospitality. Not the repressive misinterpretation of it that is used against gay people. You are choosing to read the Bible in a way that upholds your own fear and ignorance rather than what is really there. I am really surprised there are still people who adhere to such a convoluted minsunderstanding of the Bible. Yours appears to be a faith that shuts people out, shuns them, tells them they cannot serve in the church they find so much meaning within, or be just as they are. That is not faith. My God is bigger than your sniveling attempt to put people in boxes. My God's grace is bigger than your attempts to condemn. The great deception of the past century has been to convince people that this distorted interpretation of the Bible based on fear and misinformation is somehow the definitive Christian worldview. It is the work deceiver in fact among those who promote fear and hatred by twisting the very Word of God. We know by the fruits -of how this is driving LGBTQA people away from Christ that this is the work of the deciever. And it has worked its way into churches across the land that they don't even see if for what it is. Get behind thee Satan. My God is a loving God who says that no matter who you are or where you are no life's journey you are welcome just as you are into God's Kingdom.

        There are some gay people who also have to be Christians. For us it is even more difficult living in two worlds that tell us to reject the other, one out of ingnorance the other because they've been rejected by the other. It is also a matter of spiritual abuse to tell me that I am less worthy a human on this planet than a straight person is to enjoy the rights and responsibilities of falling in love or to tell me to not be true to myself. I spent a good 2 decades believing the lies of the Love Won Out/Focus on the Family/Exodus International people and their propaganda on Christian radio. It is no wonder so many young gay people confused by all the hatred coming out of the church against them contemplate and even succeed at times in committing suicide.

        If anyone reading this is a Christian and also gay and are struggling with the conflict between the two which you've been made to believe is there, I suggest you visit http://www.GodHatesCheeseBurgers.com which lists resources that will offer you hope from the confusion and pain you might be feeling about this issue.

      • asample

        DnlSquires:

        I am very aware of the New Testament passages that you abridged and annotated. My point, however, was that reducing people's lives to single words such as “homosexual”, “gay”, or “Christian” fails to consider the complexity of the situations of people on whatever side of the issue (and there are more than two sides to be considered.) What specifically is the “practice” of “homosexuality” ? What are you addressing as “the homosexual lifestyle” ? Are we talking about homosexuality as an orientation or specific sexual behaviors? Do you understand that there are “gay” celibates and virgins? Do you understand that there are young people who have grown up and are currently growing up in churches who hear the verses in Leviticus and the ones you cited repeated with ungodly vehemence as though they were the most significant verses in the Bible? Do you understand that many churches and nominal Christians have created idols of the concept of marriage, exalting it as the most important social relationship?

      • OTRDriver

        Ok.. read enough… When are you going to understand HOMOSEXUAL is not a LIFESTYLE? It's a life! CHRISTIANITY is a LIFESTYLE one that YOU choose. You could choose to be HINDU, or BUDDHIST, or even ATHEIST those are all LIFESTYLES. Being someone that is HOMOSEXUAL is a life.

        CHRISTIANS get over yourselves, you are not the chosen ones. I seem to remember the JEWS are those. Now there is a bee in your bonnet…….

        • DnlSquires

          Homosexuality is a corruption of God's original design for sexuality that
          affects your entire life.

          • OTRDriver

            Not if you are an atheist. Once again your beliefs are flawed but you are entitled to them.

  • Trajan8

    I agree with what you're saying asample, in terms of society as a whole. But the fundamental argument for the one side doesn't really deserve the respect of public consideration.

    The problem with your idea is that one side feels that the other is contaminated with some sort of disease. How is the gay community supposed to interact with those people? You can't have a continuing dialogue with people that ridiculous. Would the Jewish community give any respectful acknowledgement to a (fictional) group that feels Judaism is something you can recover from?

  • ggough56

    I echo the sentiments of Trajan8. There is a diversity of opinion on these issues within the “Christian” community as well as the “gay” community…and among those that find ourselves vehemently in both.

  • slincoln

    Ug…… “Love Won Out” is still around? Havent they lost their license to offer medical advice yet? Many of these so-called “ex-gay” groups are losing their license to dispense medicine or medical advice since what they do is so un-supported by anything scientific.

  • FrankAV

    I think the article could of done without the gay marriage debate. It does support the notion that grand rapids needs a rainbow makeover.

    They should of sold tickets to Relgion and Homophobia event.

    Isn't Focus making a butt load of money making wendy plummet out the window to her doom along side peter pan?

  • http://rainonlevs.livejournal.com/ KellyLogan

    Wouldn't it be nice if the people who *say* that they follow the Prince of Peace, took more time to work for *Peace* than they do working to promote the suppression of civil rights?

    Or if some of these bible-quoters were as passionate about confronting issues like usury that actually *have* destroyed the fabric of our society?

    Face it, nothing is really a religious issue in this country until some rich person wants to make money or consolidate power using it. I just can't take conservative Christians seriously until they embrace at least _one_ issue that isn't attacking the poor and vulnerable and promoting the profits and power of the rich.

    • OTRDriver

      The one thing that I find extremely interesting is, absolutely nowhere in the new testament is there any preaching by JESUS regarding the love between two people of the same sex. Oh and by the way, the term homosexuality was not even a word until 1839 so how is it that this word is so highly touted as being in the bible?

      Guess it is another interpretation of something that someone claims to have experienced in a dream. Hmmm Guess that would make the interpretation someone's opinion….

      Christians your logic is flawed, and it has been used for centuries for persecution of people of GOD that don't believe in your opinions and lets face it… that is exactly what they are OPINIONS. The bible is a story, a novel, and most likely a fictional one at that..

      So I say…. STOP HURTING YOUR LOVED ONES, IT'S OK TO BE GAY.

  • OTRDriver

    I'll be at these two events, I'm not that hard to identify, My picture is right here… if you want to discuss these issues with me, please take the time. I can tell you what pain and suffering at the hands of bigots and Christians is like, I've got 56years of it under my belt.

    Oh and by the way, I have been a member of Sunshine Church, before it left the Christian Reformed Denomination, (now there is an interesting story) North Park Presbyterian, and have been married, and have children. So be careful what you bring to the table..

    And as for the dreams I speak of in my other post here… GOD came to me and told me it was OK to be GAY, his message to me was “that is how I created you” so what am I to believe, my dreams or yours?

  • OTRDriver

    Not if you are an atheist. Once again your beliefs are flawed but you are entitled to them.

  • OTRDriver

    you mean when she/he is standing behind you and fails to inherent a place in Heaven?

  • gaychristian

    it doesn't quite go that way.

  • OTRDriver

    Hey I was on your side, but anyway tell me….. just how does it go????? I'd love to read it….

  • gaychristian

    I think I misread what you meant by the word inherent. Apologies.

  • OTRDriver

    Not if you are an atheist. Once again your beliefs are flawed but you are entitled to them.

  • OTRDriver

    you mean when she/he is standing behind you and fails to inherent a place in Heaven?

  • gaychristian

    it doesn't quite go that way.

  • OTRDriver

    Hey I was on your side, but anyway tell me….. just how does it go????? I'd love to read it….

  • gaychristian

    I think I misread what you meant by the word inherent. Apologies.