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	<title>Comments on: George W. Bush on his presidency: &#8216;There is such a thing as the fog of war&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: johnhkennedy</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/19945/bush-on-his-presidency-there-is-such-a-thing-as-the-fog-of-war/comment-page-1#comment-17573</link>
		<dc:creator>johnhkennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminal!! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Over 34,000 US Soldiers Died or were horribly Maimed because of the Bush-Cheney WMD Lies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;President Obama owes the truth to the families of those US Soldiers as well as the Taxpayers  who financed this totally unnecessary invasion and war with Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.  The huge rise in oil prices caused by the Iraq War was the trigger event causing this recession and major damage to our economy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Them For Torture&lt;br&gt;AT ANGRYVOTERS dot ORG&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Over 250,000 have signed&lt;br&gt;Join them and call yourself a Patriot&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Politicians who Refuse to Enforce the Federal Law on Torture&lt;br&gt;and Refuse to Protect Our Constitutional Rights,&lt;br&gt;WILL NEVER &lt;br&gt;Get You Single Payer Health Care.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They Haven&#039;t The Courage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminal!! </p>
<p>Over 34,000 US Soldiers Died or were horribly Maimed because of the Bush-Cheney WMD Lies.</p>
<p>President Obama owes the truth to the families of those US Soldiers as well as the Taxpayers  who financed this totally unnecessary invasion and war with Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.  The huge rise in oil prices caused by the Iraq War was the trigger event causing this recession and major damage to our economy.</p>
<p>SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Them For Torture<br />AT ANGRYVOTERS dot ORG</p>
<p><a href="http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</a></p>
<p>Over 250,000 have signed<br />Join them and call yourself a Patriot</p>
<p>Politicians who Refuse to Enforce the Federal Law on Torture<br />and Refuse to Protect Our Constitutional Rights,<br />WILL NEVER <br />Get You Single Payer Health Care.</p>
<p>They Haven&#39;t The Courage.</p>
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		<title>By: johnhkennedy</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/19945/bush-on-his-presidency-there-is-such-a-thing-as-the-fog-of-war/comment-page-1#comment-11301</link>
		<dc:creator>johnhkennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminal!! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Over 34,000 US Soldiers Died or were horribly Maimed because of the Bush-Cheney WMD Lies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;President Obama owes the truth to the families of those US Soldiers as well as the Taxpayers  who financed this totally unnecessary invasion and war with Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.  The huge rise in oil prices caused by the Iraq War was the trigger event causing this recession and major damage to our economy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Them For Torture&lt;br&gt;AT ANGRYVOTERS dot ORG&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Over 250,000 have signed&lt;br&gt;Join them and call yourself a Patriot&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Politicians who Refuse to Enforce the Federal Law on Torture&lt;br&gt;and Refuse to Protect Our Constitutional Rights,&lt;br&gt;WILL NEVER &lt;br&gt;Get You Single Payer Health Care.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They Haven&#039;t The Courage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminal!! </p>
<p>Over 34,000 US Soldiers Died or were horribly Maimed because of the Bush-Cheney WMD Lies.</p>
<p>President Obama owes the truth to the families of those US Soldiers as well as the Taxpayers  who financed this totally unnecessary invasion and war with Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.  The huge rise in oil prices caused by the Iraq War was the trigger event causing this recession and major damage to our economy.</p>
<p>SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Them For Torture<br />AT ANGRYVOTERS dot ORG</p>
<p><a href="http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</a></p>
<p>Over 250,000 have signed<br />Join them and call yourself a Patriot</p>
<p>Politicians who Refuse to Enforce the Federal Law on Torture<br />and Refuse to Protect Our Constitutional Rights,<br />WILL NEVER <br />Get You Single Payer Health Care.</p>
<p>They Haven&#39;t The Courage.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: johnhkennedy</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/19945/bush-on-his-presidency-there-is-such-a-thing-as-the-fog-of-war/comment-page-1#comment-6758</link>
		<dc:creator>johnhkennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminal!! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Over 34,000 US Soldiers Died or were horribly Maimed because of the Bush-Cheney WMD Lies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;President Obama owes the truth to the families of those US Soldiers as well as the Taxpayers  who financed this totally unnecessary invasion and war with Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.  The huge rise in oil prices caused by the Iraq War was the trigger event causing this recession and major damage to our economy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Them For Torture&lt;br&gt;AT ANGRYVOTERS dot ORG&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Over 250,000 have signed&lt;br&gt;Join them and call yourself a Patriot&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Politicians who Refuse to Enforce the Federal Law on Torture&lt;br&gt;and Refuse to Protect Our Constitutional Rights,&lt;br&gt;WILL NEVER &lt;br&gt;Get You Single Payer Health Care.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They Haven&#039;t The Courage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminal!! </p>
<p>Over 34,000 US Soldiers Died or were horribly Maimed because of the Bush-Cheney WMD Lies.</p>
<p>President Obama owes the truth to the families of those US Soldiers as well as the Taxpayers  who financed this totally unnecessary invasion and war with Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9-11.  The huge rise in oil prices caused by the Iraq War was the trigger event causing this recession and major damage to our economy.</p>
<p>SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Them For Torture<br />AT ANGRYVOTERS dot ORG</p>
<p><a href="http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</a></p>
<p>Over 250,000 have signed<br />Join them and call yourself a Patriot</p>
<p>Politicians who Refuse to Enforce the Federal Law on Torture<br />and Refuse to Protect Our Constitutional Rights,<br />WILL NEVER <br />Get You Single Payer Health Care.</p>
<p>They Haven&#39;t The Courage.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris_Singer</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/19945/bush-on-his-presidency-there-is-such-a-thing-as-the-fog-of-war/comment-page-1#comment-6677</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris_Singer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that&#039;s who the audience was (not really surprising is it??), what&#039;s wrong with reporting that??  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Who else in Benton Harbor would go to listen to him?  Like it wasn&#039;t orchestrated as purely a publicity stunt anyway...come on, man.  What about the fact that Bush lied about WOMD and got a free pass for it from mainstream media, including your beloved WSJ &quot;true journalists?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#39;s who the audience was (not really surprising is it??), what&#39;s wrong with reporting that??  </p>
<p>Who else in Benton Harbor would go to listen to him?  Like it wasn&#39;t orchestrated as purely a publicity stunt anyway&#8230;come on, man.  What about the fact that Bush lied about WOMD and got a free pass for it from mainstream media, including your beloved WSJ &#8220;true journalists?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: johnhkennedy</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/19945/bush-on-his-presidency-there-is-such-a-thing-as-the-fog-of-war/comment-page-1#comment-6640</link>
		<dc:creator>johnhkennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 11:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bush Criminals Tortured to get false intel to cover up their WMD Lies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would you support Torture after being forced to watch your wife or daughter being tortured or threatened with their rape?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/26/mi5-jamil-rahman-torture-bangladesh&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/26/mi5...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/qyqrjh&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/qyqrjh&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;If our agents Torture them there, eventually they will Torture &lt;br&gt;political opponents HERE!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you do nothing else for your Country today,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Them For Torture&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Over 250,000 have signed&lt;br&gt;Join them and call yourself a Patriot&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Politicians who Refuse to Enforce the Federal Law on Torture&lt;br&gt;and Refuse to Protect Our Constitutional Rights,&lt;br&gt;WILL NEVER&lt;br&gt;Get You Single Payer Health Care.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They Haven&#039;t The Courage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bush Criminals Tortured to get false intel to cover up their WMD Lies.</p>
<p>Would you support Torture after being forced to watch your wife or daughter being tortured or threatened with their rape?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/26/mi5-jamil-rahman-torture-bangladesh" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/26/mi5&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/qyqrjh" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/qyqrjh</a></p>
<p>If our agents Torture them there, eventually they will Torture <br />political opponents HERE!</p>
<p>If you do nothing else for your Country today,</p>
<p>SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Them For Torture</p>
<p><a href="http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</a></p>
<p>Over 250,000 have signed<br />Join them and call yourself a Patriot</p>
<p>Politicians who Refuse to Enforce the Federal Law on Torture<br />and Refuse to Protect Our Constitutional Rights,<br />WILL NEVER<br />Get You Single Payer Health Care.</p>
<p>They Haven&#39;t The Courage.</p>
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		<title>By: Irish_Wake</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/19945/bush-on-his-presidency-there-is-such-a-thing-as-the-fog-of-war/comment-page-1#comment-6627</link>
		<dc:creator>Irish_Wake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reflecting on the article and earlier comments, I have realized that the audience members are of interest. During President Bush&#039;s tenure, the administration went to extreme lengths to maintain a homogeneous audience. All members were vetted and loyal, up to and including signed affidavits. This echo chamber was a contributing factor to the fractious nature of the administration. &lt;br&gt;Of course I do not believe that dissenting opinion was actively put down in Benton Harbor as it was while in office. I think it was a group that President Bush would be comfortable speaking to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reflecting on the article and earlier comments, I have realized that the audience members are of interest. During President Bush&#39;s tenure, the administration went to extreme lengths to maintain a homogeneous audience. All members were vetted and loyal, up to and including signed affidavits. This echo chamber was a contributing factor to the fractious nature of the administration. <br />Of course I do not believe that dissenting opinion was actively put down in Benton Harbor as it was while in office. I think it was a group that President Bush would be comfortable speaking to.</p>
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		<title>By: Irish_Wake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish_Wake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 13:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the article is biased. The author&#039;s opinion is evident.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, I have an issue with the facts. President Bush said “There is such a thing as the fog of war,” mentioned repeatedly that during a crisis it can be difficult to get good information to make the best decisions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The entire run-up to and initial war were orchestrated to be clouded. Information was in hand, but could not be used to support the desired conclusion. The American people were not allowed to have the information. Administration officials were not allowed to have the information - I still feel sorry for General Powell being led to the conclusions he stated at the UN.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This was not the fog of war. This was another day in the life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the article is biased. The author&#39;s opinion is evident.</p>
<p>However, I have an issue with the facts. President Bush said “There is such a thing as the fog of war,” mentioned repeatedly that during a crisis it can be difficult to get good information to make the best decisions.</p>
<p>The entire run-up to and initial war were orchestrated to be clouded. Information was in hand, but could not be used to support the desired conclusion. The American people were not allowed to have the information. Administration officials were not allowed to have the information &#8211; I still feel sorry for General Powell being led to the conclusions he stated at the UN.</p>
<p>This was not the fog of war. This was another day in the life.</p>
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		<title>By: wyattjo</title>
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		<dc:creator>wyattjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the audience was sympathetic, old, and white, what&#039;s wrong with reporting it. Karl Rove was at the Chicago theatre last night with Charlie Rose and James Carville. People were out front protesting Karl Rove and inside audience members heckled him for his support of war crimes &amp; torture-do you think reporters should leave this out of their stories? You may have a point though-Bush rarely, if ever speaks in front of an audience that is unsupportive, so perhaps they should only report on the audience when they are unsympathic (like 80% of americans).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the audience was sympathetic, old, and white, what&#39;s wrong with reporting it. Karl Rove was at the Chicago theatre last night with Charlie Rose and James Carville. People were out front protesting Karl Rove and inside audience members heckled him for his support of war crimes &#038; torture-do you think reporters should leave this out of their stories? You may have a point though-Bush rarely, if ever speaks in front of an audience that is unsupportive, so perhaps they should only report on the audience when they are unsympathic (like 80% of americans).</p>
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		<title>By: TOnorad</title>
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		<dc:creator>TOnorad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 13:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch!  Boy this is an unbiased article.  &quot;Mostly sympathetic audience&quot; of &quot;older, white&quot; men?  Do you normally &quot;report&quot; the ethnicity of audiences?  Why is that at all relevant?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Besides The Wall Street Journal&#039;s staff, are there any true journalists out there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch!  Boy this is an unbiased article.  &#8220;Mostly sympathetic audience&#8221; of &#8220;older, white&#8221; men?  Do you normally &#8220;report&#8221; the ethnicity of audiences?  Why is that at all relevant?</p>
<p>Besides The Wall Street Journal&#39;s staff, are there any true journalists out there?</p>
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