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	<title>Comments on: The left should lead the fight against Islamic radicalism</title>
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		<title>By: Michael_Heath</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/12646/the-left-should-lead-the-fight-against-islamic-radicalism/comment-page-1#comment-17186</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael_Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best arguments I&#039;ve considered on confronting radical Islam have come from the Left:  Peter Beinart&#039;s prescription proposals in both book and columns, Fareed Zakaria&#039;s descriptive analysis on the factors that cause democracies to succeed or fail, and Karen Armstrong&#039;s analysis on religious fundamentalism in general and where it heads if it collects increasing political power, much of which was written prior to 9/11 and validated since then.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The arguments on the Right I&#039;ve considered share the common theme that they lack empirically validated premises and instead leverage mere rhetorical arguments that support preconceived ideological platforms coupled to strategies that are often so vague one gains zero confidence tactics exist that would support their strategic objectives (e.g., lack of engagement while depending on mere threats).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So yeah Ed, I agree.  If we depend on the Right I would argue we&#039;d certainly fail given their prescriptions are devoid of solid premises that would provide any confidence in what they advocate would lead to desired results.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My concern with the Left, especially in Europe, is a pervasive unwillingness to implement and defend a broad enforcement of speech rights that would insure a public square that instantly and loudly ridicules any form of primitive thinking.  Given that Europe enjoyed a quiet secularization of its politics and people post-WWII does not mean this approach will work with the more primitive thinking Muslims now immigrating into Europe - instead they need to be convinced (their younger people) or dissuaded (older immigrants unable of evolving) by constant and deafening ridicule by their secularists, along with equal opportunities for jobs.  I believe such acts by European secularists would help embolden the enlightened Muslims to begin to speak out as well.  These secularist Muslims need moral support that restrictions on speech squelch.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I see this issue as one of Obama&#039;s greatest opportunities to enhance security through use of the U.N.  Whether he&#039;s got the desire or gumption remains to be seen.  Insuring broad speech rights in Europe could be one of his greatest accomplishments if he cared to take on that task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best arguments I&#39;ve considered on confronting radical Islam have come from the Left:  Peter Beinart&#39;s prescription proposals in both book and columns, Fareed Zakaria&#39;s descriptive analysis on the factors that cause democracies to succeed or fail, and Karen Armstrong&#39;s analysis on religious fundamentalism in general and where it heads if it collects increasing political power, much of which was written prior to 9/11 and validated since then.</p>
<p>The arguments on the Right I&#39;ve considered share the common theme that they lack empirically validated premises and instead leverage mere rhetorical arguments that support preconceived ideological platforms coupled to strategies that are often so vague one gains zero confidence tactics exist that would support their strategic objectives (e.g., lack of engagement while depending on mere threats).</p>
<p>So yeah Ed, I agree.  If we depend on the Right I would argue we&#39;d certainly fail given their prescriptions are devoid of solid premises that would provide any confidence in what they advocate would lead to desired results.  </p>
<p>My concern with the Left, especially in Europe, is a pervasive unwillingness to implement and defend a broad enforcement of speech rights that would insure a public square that instantly and loudly ridicules any form of primitive thinking.  Given that Europe enjoyed a quiet secularization of its politics and people post-WWII does not mean this approach will work with the more primitive thinking Muslims now immigrating into Europe &#8211; instead they need to be convinced (their younger people) or dissuaded (older immigrants unable of evolving) by constant and deafening ridicule by their secularists, along with equal opportunities for jobs.  I believe such acts by European secularists would help embolden the enlightened Muslims to begin to speak out as well.  These secularist Muslims need moral support that restrictions on speech squelch.  </p>
<p>I see this issue as one of Obama&#39;s greatest opportunities to enhance security through use of the U.N.  Whether he&#39;s got the desire or gumption remains to be seen.  Insuring broad speech rights in Europe could be one of his greatest accomplishments if he cared to take on that task.</p>
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		<title>By: TheCoach</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/12646/the-left-should-lead-the-fight-against-islamic-radicalism/comment-page-1#comment-17187</link>
		<dc:creator>TheCoach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michigan, which has a large Islamic population, is a fine place to make the points Ed Brayton discusses in this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michigan, which has a large Islamic population, is a fine place to make the points Ed Brayton discusses in this article.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael_Heath</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/12646/the-left-should-lead-the-fight-against-islamic-radicalism/comment-page-1#comment-12269</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael_Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best arguments I&#039;ve considered on confronting radical Islam have come from the Left:  Peter Beinart&#039;s prescription proposals in both book and columns, Fareed Zakaria&#039;s descriptive analysis on the factors that cause democracies to succeed or fail, and Karen Armstrong&#039;s analysis on religious fundamentalism in general and where it heads if it collects increasing political power, much of which was written prior to 9/11 and validated since then.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The arguments on the Right I&#039;ve considered share the common theme that they lack empirically validated premises and instead leverage mere rhetorical arguments that support preconceived ideological platforms coupled to strategies that are often so vague one gains zero confidence tactics exist that would support their strategic objectives (e.g., lack of engagement while depending on mere threats).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So yeah Ed, I agree.  If we depend on the Right I would argue we&#039;d certainly fail given their prescriptions are devoid of solid premises that would provide any confidence in what they advocate would lead to desired results.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My concern with the Left, especially in Europe, is a pervasive unwillingness to implement and defend a broad enforcement of speech rights that would insure a public square that instantly and loudly ridicules any form of primitive thinking.  Given that Europe enjoyed a quiet secularization of its politics and people post-WWII does not mean this approach will work with the more primitive thinking Muslims now immigrating into Europe - instead they need to be convinced (their younger people) or dissuaded (older immigrants unable of evolving) by constant and deafening ridicule by their secularists, along with equal opportunities for jobs.  I believe such acts by European secularists would help embolden the enlightened Muslims to begin to speak out as well.  These secularist Muslims need moral support that restrictions on speech squelch.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I see this issue as one of Obama&#039;s greatest opportunities to enhance security through use of the U.N.  Whether he&#039;s got the desire or gumption remains to be seen.  Insuring broad speech rights in Europe could be one of his greatest accomplishments if he cared to take on that task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best arguments I&#39;ve considered on confronting radical Islam have come from the Left:  Peter Beinart&#39;s prescription proposals in both book and columns, Fareed Zakaria&#39;s descriptive analysis on the factors that cause democracies to succeed or fail, and Karen Armstrong&#39;s analysis on religious fundamentalism in general and where it heads if it collects increasing political power, much of which was written prior to 9/11 and validated since then.</p>
<p>The arguments on the Right I&#39;ve considered share the common theme that they lack empirically validated premises and instead leverage mere rhetorical arguments that support preconceived ideological platforms coupled to strategies that are often so vague one gains zero confidence tactics exist that would support their strategic objectives (e.g., lack of engagement while depending on mere threats).</p>
<p>So yeah Ed, I agree.  If we depend on the Right I would argue we&#39;d certainly fail given their prescriptions are devoid of solid premises that would provide any confidence in what they advocate would lead to desired results.  </p>
<p>My concern with the Left, especially in Europe, is a pervasive unwillingness to implement and defend a broad enforcement of speech rights that would insure a public square that instantly and loudly ridicules any form of primitive thinking.  Given that Europe enjoyed a quiet secularization of its politics and people post-WWII does not mean this approach will work with the more primitive thinking Muslims now immigrating into Europe &#8211; instead they need to be convinced (their younger people) or dissuaded (older immigrants unable of evolving) by constant and deafening ridicule by their secularists, along with equal opportunities for jobs.  I believe such acts by European secularists would help embolden the enlightened Muslims to begin to speak out as well.  These secularist Muslims need moral support that restrictions on speech squelch.  </p>
<p>I see this issue as one of Obama&#39;s greatest opportunities to enhance security through use of the U.N.  Whether he&#39;s got the desire or gumption remains to be seen.  Insuring broad speech rights in Europe could be one of his greatest accomplishments if he cared to take on that task.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael_Heath</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/12646/the-left-should-lead-the-fight-against-islamic-radicalism/comment-page-1#comment-4409</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael_Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best arguments I&#039;ve considered on confronting radical Islam have come from the Left:  Peter Beinart&#039;s prescription proposals in both book and columns, Fareed Zakaria&#039;s descriptive analysis on the factors that cause democracies to succeed or fail, and Karen Armstrong&#039;s analysis on religious fundamentalism in general and where it heads if it collects increasing political power, much of which was written prior to 9/11 and validated since then.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The arguments on the Right I&#039;ve considered share the common theme that they lack empirically validated premises and instead leverage mere rhetorical arguments that support preconceived ideological platforms coupled to strategies that are often so vague one gains zero confidence tactics exist that would support their strategic objectives (e.g., lack of engagement while depending on mere threats).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So yeah Ed, I agree.  If we depend on the Right I would argue we&#039;d certainly fail given their prescriptions are devoid of solid premises that would provide any confidence in what they advocate would lead to desired results.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My concern with the Left, especially in Europe, is a pervasive willingness to implement and defend a broad enforcement of speech rights that would insure a public square that instantly and loudly ridicules any form of primitive thinking.  Given that Europe enjoyed a quiet secularization of its politics and people post-WWII does not mean this approach will work with the more primitive thinking Muslims now immigrating into Europe - instead they need to be convinced (their younger people) or dissuaded (older immigrants unable of evolving) by constant and deafening ridicule by their secularists, along with equal opportunities for jobs.  I believe such acts by European secularists would help embolden the enlightened Muslims to begin to speak out as well.  These secularist Muslims need moral support that restrictions on speech squelch.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I see this issue as one of Obama&#039;s greatest opportunities to enhance security through use of the U.N.  Whether he&#039;s got the desire or gumption remains to be seen.  Insuring broad speech rights in Europe could be one of his greatest accomplishments if he cared to take on that task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best arguments I&#39;ve considered on confronting radical Islam have come from the Left:  Peter Beinart&#39;s prescription proposals in both book and columns, Fareed Zakaria&#39;s descriptive analysis on the factors that cause democracies to succeed or fail, and Karen Armstrong&#39;s analysis on religious fundamentalism in general and where it heads if it collects increasing political power, much of which was written prior to 9/11 and validated since then.</p>
<p>The arguments on the Right I&#39;ve considered share the common theme that they lack empirically validated premises and instead leverage mere rhetorical arguments that support preconceived ideological platforms coupled to strategies that are often so vague one gains zero confidence tactics exist that would support their strategic objectives (e.g., lack of engagement while depending on mere threats).</p>
<p>So yeah Ed, I agree.  If we depend on the Right I would argue we&#39;d certainly fail given their prescriptions are devoid of solid premises that would provide any confidence in what they advocate would lead to desired results.  </p>
<p>My concern with the Left, especially in Europe, is a pervasive willingness to implement and defend a broad enforcement of speech rights that would insure a public square that instantly and loudly ridicules any form of primitive thinking.  Given that Europe enjoyed a quiet secularization of its politics and people post-WWII does not mean this approach will work with the more primitive thinking Muslims now immigrating into Europe &#8211; instead they need to be convinced (their younger people) or dissuaded (older immigrants unable of evolving) by constant and deafening ridicule by their secularists, along with equal opportunities for jobs.  I believe such acts by European secularists would help embolden the enlightened Muslims to begin to speak out as well.  These secularist Muslims need moral support that restrictions on speech squelch.  </p>
<p>I see this issue as one of Obama&#39;s greatest opportunities to enhance security through use of the U.N.  Whether he&#39;s got the desire or gumption remains to be seen.  Insuring broad speech rights in Europe could be one of his greatest accomplishments if he cared to take on that task.</p>
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		<title>By: TheCoach</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/12646/the-left-should-lead-the-fight-against-islamic-radicalism/comment-page-1#comment-4408</link>
		<dc:creator>TheCoach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michigan, which has a large Islamic population, is a fine place to make the points Ed Brayton discusses in this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michigan, which has a large Islamic population, is a fine place to make the points Ed Brayton discusses in this article.</p>
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		<title>By: environut</title>
		<link>http://michiganmessenger.com/12646/the-left-should-lead-the-fight-against-islamic-radicalism/comment-page-1#comment-4394</link>
		<dc:creator>environut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that both radical Muslims and Liberals both have something in common, they both like to criticize the U.S. and blame it for all the problems in the world, either real or imagined.  They make good bedfellows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that both radical Muslims and Liberals both have something in common, they both like to criticize the U.S. and blame it for all the problems in the world, either real or imagined.  They make good bedfellows.</p>
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