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By Staff Report | 11.16.11

I am writing today to announce the closure of the Michigan Messenger. After four years of operation in Michigan, the board of the American Independent News Network, has decided to shift publication of its news into a single site, The American Independent at Americanindependent.com. This is part of a shift in strategy, towards new forms [...]

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By Eartha Jane Melzer | 11.14.11

Despite evidence of the impact of mercury on children and public health, Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette last month joined with 24 other state attorneys general in filing a lawsuit to scuttle new EPA regulations that would reduce mercury emissions from power plants.

Criticize township official, get thrown out

By Ed Brayton | 04.03.08 | 9:17 am

The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan has filed a lawsuit against Salem Township in Washtenaw County, Mich., on behalf of two residents who were escorted out of a meeting of the township Board of Trustees for criticizing the township supervisor during public comment time.

According to the legal complaint, which was filed against both the township itself and Fred Roperti in his capacity as township supervisor, plaintiff Bob Uherek addressed the board during time set aside for public comments at the Jan. 8, 2008, meeting and criticized Roperti, saying, “You have demonstrated that you cannot be counted on for openness and transparency.” At that point, the complaint alleges, Roperti told Uherek to “be quiet” and summoned a Michigan State Police trooper and a Washtenaw County sheriff’s deputy to have Uherek escorted out of the room.

Shortly thereafter another resident, O’Neill Muirhead, stood up and questioned the action of having Uherek removed from the meeting, and he was also told that he would be removed from the room if he did not stop speaking. The two officers were then summoned again to remove Muirhead from the room. The complaint says:

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Defendant Roperti, acting as a policy-maker for Defendant Salem Township, under color of state law, and in violation of the First Amendment, removed Plaintiffs from the January 8th board meeting because Plaintiffs exercised their First Amendment right to comment on the professional conduct of Defendant Roperti, an elected government official.

The meetings of the Board of Trustees are audio-taped. Uherek requested a copy of that audio tape and received one, which he gave to his attorneys. Cooperating attorney Jim Walsh, who has heard the recording, says that Uherek behaved like a gentleman the entire time: “He was not disruptive, did not use language that anyone would feel would be out of place or offensive and was calm throughout the process. Likewise, Mr. Muirhead calmly told Mr. Roperti that he was out of line to eject Uherek and he was also escorted out of the room.”

The complaint argues that those actions violate both the First Amendment and Michigan’s Open Meetings Act. That act (M.C.L. 15.263 (6)), directs that “a person shall not be excluded from a meeting otherwise open to the public except for a breach of the peace actually committed at the meeting.” Kary Moss, executive director of the ACLU of Michigan, said: “At the heart of our democracy is the right to openly and publicly question the professional conduct of our elected officials. The United States has a long tradition of respect for this freedom and our democracy is only strengthened, not threatened, by a diversity of voices.”

For his part, Uherek says that he is fighting this to stand up to government intimidation: “At the end of the day, elected officials represent us, our concerns, our townships, cities and state. Because of this, I feel strongly that we must hold them accountable and when they try to silence us, we must stand up against their bullying.”

Several requests for comment from Roperti went unanswered.

Comments

  • dorrtownship_mich_citizen

    We are having the same thing happening here in our small township too! When we speak up the board wants to stiffle our speech and not let us talk. They only give us 3 minutes to talk to give us our input, yet we have no idea what they will be discussing at their board meeting accept a topic on the agenda.

    The board members have all the pertinent information at their hands, yet the people go to these board meetings to listen and give their feedback, but we have no idea what will be discussed, until after the board debates, then votes and goes on to the rest of the agenda, then at the end of the board meeting, they give us 3 minutes to tell them what we think.

    Sounds like this is happening in a few other places and this is NOT democracy, this is tyranny! We MUST NOT let this continue or we will end up with our 1st amendment rights flying right out the window, and I for one will not sit back and let this happen.

    http://www.DorrTownship.net A citizens website to keep the people informed

    http://www.DorrTownship.net/refelt.html Residents for a fair, ethical, lean, transparent Dorr Township Government

    • Rayne1

      Just one suggestion for you — you might read up on Roberts Rules of Order, then find out whether your township's meetings are required to operate using Roberts Rules. If they are not, becoming more knowledgeable about the Rules and learning how to make proper objections and what are appropriate steps to suppress debate would be well worth your time. If you have any acquaintances who are union members, it might be worthwhile to find out if any of them can coach you on parliamentary procedures; unions are very strong users of such process to maintain orderly meetings.

    • farmgirl06

      I guess what they say about ignorance being bliss is an old wive's tale because you are definitely not a happy camper. Obviously you don't attend very many township meetings. I too am a resident of Dorr township and I know for a fact that this is not the policy currently held by the board nor is a policy which is enforced! Where you come up with this stuff is beyond me. Go ahead- attend a meeting….see how they actually run. People can comment whenever they want to. There are even some people who don't asked to be recognized by the board before they blurt out whatever it is they have on their mind. I for one think it would actually be great if this was the policy. Have you ever gone to one of those meetings? They take too long and it's hard to get stuff done because people feel they have the right to interupt formality and speak whenever they want. If this actually was the policy those meetings would run much more efficiently and more things would get accomplished every meeting. Oh and tyranny….REALLY?? COME ON- I know you want to make a point but making it with lies and extremes is quite ridiculous! Even democracy needs order, just because there would be an appropriate time and place for the public to express their views doesn't mean you are living under a dictator (and by the way that would be a singular noun-tyranny implies one person-not a board!!). If you think living in Dorr township is tyranical maybe you should move to Syria and see what it is really like. Signing off-a very concerned Dorr Township citizen.

      • farmboy1

        Sounds like farmgirl might need to examine her priorities….Dorr Township is really nothing other than Hazard County from the Dukes of Hazard. There the some officials that have this good ole boys club and then the few citizens that raise the questions, the officails make them out to be the bad guys heres the links of what one reporter said

        http://www.allegannews.com/articles/2009/01/01/…

        “The reason I mention all of this is that now the board is entertaining a notion to put a policy in place that puts some boundaries for public comment at board meetings. It’s a perfectly normal thing. I’ve encountered it at almost every other board I’ve covered in more than six years.

        But now?! That’s lousy timing if they’re trying to win back trust. Despite even the best intentions, it just sounds like they’re trying to shut the public up. That may not be what it is—but that’s what it sounds like.”

        Farmgirll you can not win the publics trust by being dishonset in your ways……I guess in township politics the apple does not fall far from the tree.

        The last 30 yrs it was run like a tyranny and it looks like the same is continuing. Please come visit the Dorr Township meetings for your self to see what is composting behind the scenes for your self!

        While your at it ask the residents there at the meetings how fair, open and honest the board has been to dispel all the darkness htat lingers there!

  • farmgirl06

    I guess what they say about ignorance being bliss is an old wive's tale because you are definitely not a happy camper. Obviously you don't attend very many township meetings. I too am a resident of Dorr township and I know for a fact that this is not the policy currently held by the board nor is a policy which is enforced! Where you come up with this stuff is beyond me. Go ahead- attend a meeting….see how they actually run. People can comment whenever they want to. There are even some people who don't asked to be recognized by the board before they blurt out whatever it is they have on their mind. I for one think it would actually be great if this was the policy. Have you ever gone to one of those meetings? They take too long and it's hard to get stuff done because people feel they have the right to interupt formality and speak whenever they want. If this actually was the policy those meetings would run much more efficiently and more things would get accomplished every meeting. Oh and tyranny….REALLY?? COME ON- I know you want to make a point but making it with lies and extremes is quite ridiculous! Even democracy needs order, just because there would be an appropriate time and place for the public to express their views doesn't mean you are living under a dictator (and by the way that would be a singular noun-tyranny implies one person-not a board!!). If you think living in Dorr township is tyranical maybe you should move to Syria and see what it is really like. Signing off-a very concerned Dorr Township citizen.

    • dorrtownship_mich_citizen

      You say the board meetings take to long? Obviously you have never been to one of these board meetings farmgirl. I have been to almost all of them, and I have yet been to ONE that has went for a whole hour! If to long for you is 20 minutes, then obviously you are not interested in having a board discuss any issue with any intelligence whatsoever. We elect our board members to make educated informed decisions based on facts that are good for the whole community, not some quick lets get this over with decisions in a 20 minute follow the supervisor meeting.

      Move to Syria? I hope you never go there, because with your attitude, you would not last long under their dictatorship. We as Americans should all be thankful where our voices are heard, including yours, even though I disagree with you very adamantly.

      • farmgirl06

        this is my final post because I won't play the silly childish game you love so much. All I have to say is good luck with all your ranting and raving and fuming because it won't get you anything but a reputation for being a jerk. as for how the board votes…the board actually doesn't have to vote on it. If that is how the moderator wants to run the meeting he/she has that right. and as far as your 1st amendment rights go- in a public meeting you don't have any! and if you want that changed you'd better take it up with the state. BAD LUCK AND GOOD RIDDENS.

        • dorrtownship_mich_citizen

          You are the reason why a democracy does not want people like you in office. You think you are a dictator. Our forefathers fought against people like you and won for us the right to be heard and we will. You have a very bad attitude and it sounds like you have a deep rooted anger who does not like a debate. So sad!

          I hope you get over your deep frustrations soon so you dont get high blood pressure.

          Have a nice day farmgirl.

          I will see you in the board room then I guess?

        • dorrtownship_mich_citizen

          Oh, by the way, I do not remember ever asking you to comment one way or the other. So as far as playing any silly childish games, sounds like that is what you are doing.

          LOL

          You need to go back out into the pasture and milk some more cows FarmGirl. ha ha hah ahaha

          • Rayne1

            A link to Michigan Messenger's comment policy can be found at the bottom of our site; comments should be on topic and not ad hominem in nature.

            We thank you for your readership and participation.

  • dorrtownship_mich_citizen

    Do you go to the townboard meetings? I go to almost all of them farmgirl!

    Maybe you should attend them and find out exactly what this townboard is doing?

    • farmgirl06

      I do attend them-thanks for your concern. I know this is not the policy- I was there when they discussed it and tabled it. NO POLICY CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

  • dorrtownship_mich_citizen

    Yes they did table it for the next meeting. We will see how the whole board votes on this one.

  • dorrtownship_mich_citizen

    See what the editor of our local paper wrote about our township board in Dorr, Michigan.

    http://www.allegannews.com/articles/2009/01/01/…

  • Rayne1

    Michigan Messenger's comment policy can be found at this link; comments should be on topic and not ad hominem in nature.

    We thank you for your readership and participation.

  • farmboy1

    Sounds like farmgirl might need to examine her priorities….Dorr Township is really nothing other than Hazard County from the Dukes of Hazard. There the some officials that have this good ole boys club and then the few citizens that raise the questions, the officails make them out to be the bad guys heres the links of what one reporter said

    http://www.allegannews.com/articles/2009/01/01/…

    “The reason I mention all of this is that now the board is entertaining a notion to put a policy in place that puts some boundaries for public comment at board meetings. It’s a perfectly normal thing. I’ve encountered it at almost every other board I’ve covered in more than six years.

    But now?! That’s lousy timing if they’re trying to win back trust. Despite even the best intentions, it just sounds like they’re trying to shut the public up. That may not be what it is—but that’s what it sounds like.”

    Farmgirll you can not win the publics trust by being dishonset in your ways……I guess in township politics the apple does not fall far from the tree.

    The last 30 yrs it was run like a tyranny and it looks like the same is continuing. Please come visit the Dorr Township meetings for your self to see what is composting behind the scenes for your self!

    While your at it ask the residents there at the meetings how fair, open and honest the board has been to dispel all the darkness htat lingers there!

  • farmboy1

    Sounds like farmgirl might need to examine her priorities….Dorr Township is really nothing other than Hazard County from the Dukes of Hazard. There the some officials that have this good ole boys club and then the few citizens that raise the questions, the officails make them out to be the bad guys heres the links of what one reporter said

    http://www.allegannews.com/articles/2009/01/01/…

    “The reason I mention all of this is that now the board is entertaining a notion to put a policy in place that puts some boundaries for public comment at board meetings. It’s a perfectly normal thing. I’ve encountered it at almost every other board I’ve covered in more than six years.

    But now?! That’s lousy timing if they’re trying to win back trust. Despite even the best intentions, it just sounds like they’re trying to shut the public up. That may not be what it is—but that’s what it sounds like.”

    Farmgirll you can not win the publics trust by being dishonset in your ways……I guess in township politics the apple does not fall far from the tree.

    The last 30 yrs it was run like a tyranny and it looks like the same is continuing. Please come visit the Dorr Township meetings for your self to see what is composting behind the scenes for your self!

    While your at it ask the residents there at the meetings how fair, open and honest the board has been to dispel all the darkness htat lingers there!